An article that is a must read!!

[dispatchguy]

I am happy the captain in GUM stood his ground.

Had I had been that flights dispatcher, it wouldnt have moved until the CAPTAIN felt that all is as it should be in the back of that aircraft; well wait, isnt that how it should be anyway?

 

[Wesb737fo]

CAL management at its finest once again. Wonder what the press would make of this?


On April 13, 2009 I was the Captain on Air Micronesia .....


.......wounded Marine to First Class.

Are you f'n kidding me. If CAL is taking action against this guy they are crazy.

I would love to buy that Captain a drink. Tell me there is more to this story because I can't believe people would react this way towards a wounded marine, and, after hearing the facts (as laid out in the post), I can't believe CAL management would take action against the Captain.

 

[michael707767]

With Obama in office (and gaining a second term coming up here), we all have a better chance of getting some of it back. When Bush the 2nd started his term, he stated "There will be NO strikes by Major Airlines this Summer (2001)." Obama will at least listen to the unions, and appoint Federal Mediators that are not pro-management Republicans. But, timing is everything, and if oil is again at $140 a barrel when you try to negotiate, it will be tough to gain a lot back. Obama is definately better than the McCain alternative when it comes to airlines.

We will get nothing back with Obama in office. Sure he may be more pro labor. But he is well on his way to making the economy worse than it already is.

Me, I would rather have a president who is no friend to labor but brings us economic strength and does not want to bring socialism to our country.

Obama will set labor back even further that Bush did, and the problem is the whole country will go down the tubes with us.

 

[Colonel Savage]

"Me, I would rather have a president who is no friend to labor but brings us economic strength and does not want to bring socialism to our country."

I doubt any of us will ever live to see that. Nice thought though.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Me, I would rather have a president who is no friend to labor but brings us economic strength and does not want to bring socialism to our country.

Yet you allow yourself to be forced into making a choice? Why?

Rather, why not a POTUS that brings economic strength and is a ffreind of labor?

what is econimic strength? A dispairitive gap? Repressed wages?

The socialism spectre is a distracting facade.... We live under a one party system... the Economic Party, with two factions within: Dems and GOP...


Back the USMC/Guam story....

Right out of airline managements playbook.... use a tool to beat down the CA's authority....



This is why I argue hats.... when we shuck the hat we blend into to rest of the low wage workers at the airport....

Super senior B747 or B777 Captains riding the employee bus from the parking lot to the terminal with third world people working for sh tty wages cleaning toilets... This is what management thinks of us...

Keep in mind... management has their own parking lot at the airport....

 

[KCPilot]

We will get nothing back with Obama in office. Sure he may be more pro labor. But he is well on his way to making the economy worse than it already is.

Me, I would rather have a president who is no friend to labor but brings us economic strength and does not want to bring socialism to our country.

Obama will set labor back even further that Bush did, and the problem is the whole country will go down the tubes with us.

Right on!

 

[Smarta$$]

With Obama in office (and gaining a second term coming up here), we all have a better chance of getting some of it back. When Bush the 2nd started his term, he stated "There will be NO strikes by Major Airlines this Summer (2001)." Obama will at least listen to the unions, and appoint Federal Mediators that are not pro-management Republicans. But, timing is everything, and if oil is again at $140 a barrel when you try to negotiate, it will be tough to gain a lot back. Obama is definately better than the McCain alternative when it comes to airlines.


Bye Bye--General Lee

+3. Trickle down, does not work.

 

[HA25]

We will get nothing back with Obama in office. Sure he may be more pro labor. But he is well on his way to making the economy worse than it already is.

Me, I would rather have a president who is no friend to labor but brings us economic strength and does not want to bring socialism to our country.

Obama will set labor back even further that Bush did, and the problem is the whole country will go down the tubes with us.

Dude, it CAN'T get any worse than Bush left it.. It simply can't! Obama's budget at least recognized the REAL cost of this ill conceived war of Chaney's.

 

[N2264J]

... I went straight to the captain as ASA (my airline) was at that time prohibited from being in their J/S due to political issues stemming from our voting in ALPA...

Would you mind telling us that story?

I'm trying to remember if the DMEC actually secured a reciprocol jumpseat
agreement by 1997.

Thanks

 

[HA25]

Would you mind telling us that story?

I'm trying to remember if the DMEC actually secured a reciprocol jumpseat
agreement by 1997.

Thanks

Short of it,.. George and John (owners of ASA at that time, or something like 70% of the shares)... having a strong relationship with DAL management simply prohibited DAL from j/s on ASA, and thus made it impossible for us to get a reciprocal agreement.. but most DAL pilots would ignore it, and let you on... after a while, George and John applied pressure to DAL management to codify it as against the rules to allow us on.... and that's when this women got her sense of "empowerment"..

Those were sad times.. we had a chance to nip the "regional" whipsaw and subsequent boom in RJ's and keep mainline growing for meaningful, good paying jobs at that time due to a lot of understanding at DAL as to our "common" interest.. However, ONEALPA and a few other things have since squandered that trust and mutual respect.

 

[landlover]

the economic down turn has already slowed. some analyst even say it has turned around.

 

[nimtz]

I've come to realize something about CAL that I didn't full really appreciate before I worked here. Despite all the Fortune 500 Awards and 'Worst to First' lingo, Frankie Lorenzo mentality dominates middle management. This is precisely why the crap you see above happens. I'm tired of it and I think an awful lot of us are at our boiling point. This place needs a serious corporate culture makeover cause like Barrack said you can't put lipstick on a pig...

 

[N2264J]

Those were sad times.. we had a chance to nip the "regional" whipsaw and subsequent boom in RJ's and keep mainline growing for meaningful, good paying jobs at that time due to a lot of understanding at DAL as to our "common" interest.. However, ONEALPA and a few other things have since squandered that trust and mutual respect.

Allow me to unburden you from that idea.

We didn't create ONEALPA until the spring of 2000 after Comair was purchased. The Comair and ASA MECs were doing due diligence by trying to engage Giambusso in talks about merging but it was going nowhere. We were being ignored.

Had we not done anything, the results would have been the same. By the time we launched ONEALPA and the PID, we literally had nothing to lose. We tried to do the right thing in accordance with ALPA's admin manual and were rebuffed at every turn. So we brought it to the Executive Council. The DMEC spent a wad of their own money to hire an outside lawfirm to speak against the PID and ALPA shot it down.

But make no mistake, the Delta pilots may exhibit the "understanding" you speak of to your face but at the negotiating table, they slam us. For example, Delta pilots go out of their way to say that the reduction of Comair travel benefits is exclusively the doing of management. But when Comair and ASA got these benefits in the first place, the DMEC filed a grievance so management has always been quite clear about how they really feel.

When Comair started doing the Shuttle service, the Delta pilots picketed. They had ALPA file a lawsuit in court against Delta INC. Comair was wholly owned and the pilots were ALPA too! Now Republic, an independant contractor - not ALPA, is taking over a huge chunk of Shuttle and we hear nothing. So revenue dollars are not just going off the property but outside the union as well. I don't know about you but this strikes me as irrational anti union behavior.

My assertion to you is that everything would be the same today had we done nothing in 2000.

 

[HA25]

Allow me to unburden you from that idea.

We didn't create ONEALPA until the spring of 2000 after Comair was purchased. The Comair and ASA MECs were doing due diligence by trying to engage Giambusso in talks about merging but it was going nowhere. We were being ignored.

Had we not done anything, the results would have been the same. By the time we launched ONEALPA and the PID, we literally had nothing to lose. We tried to do the right thing in accordance with ALPA's admin manual and were rebuffed at every turn. So we brought it to the Executive Council. The DMEC spent a wad of their own money to hire an outside lawfirm to speak against the PID and ALPA shot it down.

But make no mistake, the Delta pilots may exhibit the "understanding" you speak of to your face but at the negotiating table, they slam us. For example, Delta pilots go out of their way to say that the reduction of Comair travel benefits is exclusively the doing of management. But when Comair and ASA got these benefits in the first place, the DMEC filed a grievance so management has always been quite clear about how they really feel.

When Comair started doing the Shuttle service, the Delta pilots picketed. They had ALPA file a lawsuit in court against Delta INC. Comair was wholly owned and the pilots were ALPA too! Now Republic, an independant contractor - not ALPA, is taking over a huge chunk of Shuttle and we hear nothing. So revenue dollars are not just going off the property but outside the union as well. I don't know about you but this strikes me as irrational anti union behavior.

My assertion to you is that everything would be the same today had we done nothing in 2000.

From talking to some DAL people both during and after this period, my assertion is that it wasn't that the DALPA guys weren't ready to talk to us, it's that they weren't ready to digest our (read the senior pilots who dominated the MEC's of both Comair and ASA) unrealistic "Career Expectations" in terms of demands on seniority integration. I can specifically recall a senior ASA Captain telling me when I had mentioned the idea of a staple with DOH for pay rate... "I ain't drop'n no gear for a G'D' Delta pilot! I've been flying DAL passenger for xx years and I deserve more than a staple!"..

That is what killed it.. I was there in the thick of it, and I recall people like FR and JB (both enemies ironically) but both on the same sheet of music when it came to this critical topic.

 

[wms]

From talking to some DAL people both during and after this period, my assertion is that it wasn't that the DALPA guys weren't ready to talk to us, it's that they weren't ready to digest our (read the senior pilots who dominated the MEC's of both Comair and ASA) unrealistic "Career Expectations" in terms of demands on seniority integration. I can specifically recall a senior ASA Captain telling me when I had mentioned the idea of a staple with DOH for pay rate... "I ain't drop'n no gear for a G'D' Delta pilot! I've been flying DAL passenger for xx years and I deserve more than a staple!"..

That is what killed it.. I was there in the thick of it, and I recall people like FR and JB (both enemies ironically) but both on the same sheet of music when it came to this critical topic.

Those pilots were a small minority and a staple surely would've been approved. It would've been nice to have a prorated doh for pay only, but I don't think that would've been a deal breaker given that most ASA pilots were relatively new and the future gains would've been worth it.

The problem was the ASA and OH MEC's went over DALPA's head to ALPA national, I think without telling them what they were going to do, and that angered DALPA. It was an awful experience being an ASA commuter on mainline those days. I took a lot of abuse and I had only been at ASA a few months.

After 911 the junior DAL pilots that gave us the hardest time didn't think a staple was such a bad idea. I wonder why?