AMF BE1900s

[TheDogsBollocks]

Wow at that lower setting your not going any faster than I am in the 310/402! Probably makes a big differance in fuel burn though.

Actually, those numbers I gave are meant to be KIAS not KTAS, sorry for my error.

 

[DirtyBeech]

Put in the updates for a Jepp national kit and get back to me about some of us getting them for free. Hell, I don't even do it that often and I hate the thought of it. I really feel for the E120 crews on that. And the Jepp checklist isn't much fun either.

As per the power settings, I think someone reached elbow deep and just pulled some BS numbers out. We don't use them anymore for our Metros as we did (specifically KSU did) some research and found that our old power setting were just about as efficient as could be run in the plane. In fact, at altitude those power setting weren't as efficient as using more power because you'd be flying around 7 degrees nose up wallowing along at 160 kts. That research was forwarded along with a pretty snappy formula for determing best power for speed/altitude in SA227's. Don't know what happened to it from there.

 

[TheDogsBollocks]

Put in the updates for a Jepp national kit and get back to me about some of us getting them for free. Hell, I don't even do it that often and I hate the thought of it. I really feel for the E120 crews on that. And the Jepp checklist isn't much fun either.

As per the power settings, I think someone reached elbow deep and just pulled some BS numbers out. We don't use them anymore for our Metros as we did (specifically KSU did) some research and found that our old power setting were just about as efficient as could be run in the plane. In fact, at altitude those power setting weren't as efficient as using more power because you'd be flying around 7 degrees nose up wallowing along at 160 kts. That research was forwarded along with a pretty snappy formula for determing best power for speed/altitude in SA227's. Don't know what happened to it from there.

Brasilia flying is not in my near future so the joys of a national chart revison are not mine to endure. In regards to the power setting issue, I find it hard to believe that significant fuel saving can be made, especially when you consider that our flight segments are pretty short overall.

What astounds me is that we have to comply with these settings flying our DHL runs-DHL pays for the bloody fuel! On the short flights I have made in the Metro with the new power settings, no significant fuel saving have been noted!

 

[DirtyBeech]

Feel for you on the DHL stuff. Like I said, we ditched them because they were and are BS. I'd rather do what's best for the company than comply with an unresearched and wasteful policy in terms of fuel and time.

Btw, if you're interested here's the formula. Start out at whatever power setting gets 200 kts. at 10,000 feet. We both know it should be about 50 TQ. For every 1,000 feet above that set the power to reduce that speed by 2 knots. For example:

11,000-198 kts.
12,000- 196 kts.
13,000- 194 kts.

and so forth. I know you can't officially do that for DHL, but it might be something to take a look at.

 

[TheDogsBollocks]

As per the power settings, I think someone reached elbow deep and just pulled some BS numbers out. We don't use them anymore for our Metros as we did (specifically KSU did) some research and found that our old power setting were just about as efficient as could be run in the plane. In fact, at altitude those power setting weren't as efficient as using more power because you'd be flying around 7 degrees nose up wallowing along at 160 kts. That research was forwarded along with a pretty snappy formula for determing best power for speed/altitude in SA227's. Don't know what happened to it from there.

Interesting, you can be assured that if such data was researched and compiled by the BUR "politburu" it would have become policy pronto!

 

[DirtyBeech]

True, but policy or not, stupidity is not something I'll adhere to.

 

[EatSleepFly]

I know you can't officially do that for DHL, but it might be something to take a look at.

What's the deal with this? We don't have any DHL Metro runs, so I haven't heard about it. I know they keep track of fuel consumption pretty close, but how do they know what power settings you're using? And if you're using something that's more efficient (saving them $$$), what do they care? Just curious in case I ever cover a DHL run in the Metro. Wouldn't want to get in trouble for not burning enough fuel...

 

[TheDogsBollocks]

What's the deal with this? We don't have any DHL Metro runs, so I haven't heard about it. I know they keep track of fuel consumption pretty close, but how do they know what power settings you're using? And if you're using something that's more efficient (saving them $$$), what do they care? Just curious in case I ever cover a DHL run in the Metro. Wouldn't want to get in trouble for not burning enough fuel...

The reduced power settings were supposed to be a fuel/money saving measure because of the difficulty in passing on fuel surcharges to UPS (who incidentaly have no qualms about passing it onto their customers!).

My point with the DHL runs is they pay a dry rate for the aircraft, so unless the customer states that we should try and save them money by using such a power setting, then it should be 105% on the reactor/warp speed Mr. Sulu!

 

[SPBRIAN]

The reduced power settings were supposed to be a fuel/money saving measure because of the difficulty in passing on fuel surcharges to UPS (who incidentaly have no qualms about passing it onto their customers!).

My point with the DHL runs is they pay a dry rate for the aircraft, so unless the customer states that we should try and save them money by using such a power setting, then it should be 105% on the reactor/warp speed Mr. Sulu!

Aye Cap'n, i've given ya all she can handle, she can't take no more! P.S., just file for 250, that way you'll climb all the way until you start descent, you can't use the lower power setting if you never go to cruise right?

 

[Flyin Tony]

Doing the jepps in the bro sucks! It takes about 5-6 hours sometimes, altho Mr. B has that stuff down he can have a book done in 1 flight

 

[TheDogsBollocks]

Doing the jepps in the bro sucks! It takes about 5-6 hours sometimes, altho Mr. B has that stuff down he can have a book done in 1 flight

Not as much as doing the revisions and paying for the service. Every year those maggots at Jeppesen jack up the price of my subscription, oh wait-that's covered by my yearly pay raise, I feeling better now-NOT!

 

[DirtyBeech]

I still have my south central subscription and definitely think that the guys doing national jepp revisions every couple of weeks are on the short end of the stick. I don't care that they get it for free. It truly sucks.

 

[SPBRIAN]

I still have my south central subscription and definitely think that the guys doing national jepp revisions every couple of weeks are on the short end of the stick. I don't care that they get it for free. It truly sucks.

I heard a rumor that AMF was going to go to a paperless cockpit setup to help all of the weary pilots out! on a side note it'll be here when we get the current crop of planes that don't have enough cycles to be considered freighters yet and the technology is so cheap it's not cost effective for the previous owners to rip it out.

 

[DirtyBeech]

Not in your Amerilifetime.

 

[SPBRIAN]

Not in your Amerilifetime.

Haven't you heard, i'm the next Bob... Now somebody get one of them training captains to give me dual on how to get the tie correct, mine is definately too small. I've almost mastered distance spitting.

The Trainerator.