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American Eagle -- History

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shon7

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When AE was started -- was there any retaliation/dissent from AA Mainline? Was it started as a separate concern?

When and why did it become a wholly owned subsidiary? Was it a cash cow at any point of time?

Finally, if AE does go public how does this affect the flow through agreements and "the scope clause"?
 
shon7 said:
When AE was started -- was there any retaliation/dissent from AA Mainline? Was it started as a separate concern?

When and why did it become a wholly owned subsidiary? Was it a cash cow at any point of time?

Finally, if AE does go public how does this affect the flow through agreements and "the scope clause"?
Flowthrough; you mean flowback...

please divert to www.eaglelounge.com

Mooser
 
shon7 said:
When AE was started -- was there any retaliation/dissent from AA Mainline? Was it started as a separate concern?

When and why did it become a wholly owned subsidiary? Was it a cash cow at any point of time?

Finally, if AE does go public how does this affect the flow through agreements and "the scope clause"?
AE was a brand name initially flown by many different commuter airlines that was started in the early 80's. Eventually, AMR blah, blah, blah,...who really cares.

The flowthrough program died on 9/11. Now it is a flowback program. The whole Letter 3 program will officially end in 2007. I had 8 years seniority at Eagle and was light years away from flowing through when I left. There are AE pilots with near 20 years seniority who took AA numbers and may not ever get to flow through to AA. In short, unless the whole thing is scrapped and rewritten, there isn't a snowballs chance in #$%& that anyone hired at AE today or in the future will flowthrough.

To find out more I second Mooser's suggestion to go to eaglelounge.com
 
When AE was started -- was there any retaliation/dissent from AA Mainline? Was it started as a separate concern?

LOL, are you serious...no pilot group has spit on another pilot group more than APA has on Eagle, you'll get your umbrela issued to you on day 1 of indoc. it works both ways, denied J/S boardings, blocked communications on ATC frequencies, you name it.

When and why did it become a wholly owned subsidiary?
Same as all other regionals, cheap pilots (i'm blue blooded no slam intended), cheap planes. I think somehwhere around 1995, however their are still technically two Eagles (Eagle & Executive), and Connection is a real pain in the A**

Was it a cash cow at any point of time? yeah, like right now. Can't tell officially as Eagle's Cash balance is lumped with AA's but we've been busier than ever, we have some of the cheapest crews, cheapest planes, cheapest mechanics, how can we not be making money.

Finally, if AE does go public how does this affect the flow through agreements and "the scope clause"

It would have no effect because the successorship clause of the contract would cause the current Eagle contract to follow the Eagle pilot's like a pimple on their ass. Any new owner would want the current eagle contract as it is cheap and has holes that would make any hooker blush.
 
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The real start of American Eagle . . .

On Tuesday April 27, 1976, American Airlines Flight 625 was to be a routine run down to the Caribbean. A mostly overwater flight between two airports named after U.S. presidents: New York’s John F. Kennedy to St. Thomas’s Harry S. Truman. And apart from a couple of popped ears during the descent, the flight proceeded as planned – until the Boeing 727 was just a few feet above the tarmac.

The exact facts are in dispute, but it seems experienced captain Arthur Bujnowski landed long after floating a little above the runway. “Let’s go around” he declared, opening the throttles. But seven seconds later he decided to abort the go-around, pulling off the power, and applying the brakes. It was too late.

The jet sped off the end of the runway, crossed a road, smashed into a Shell service station, and came to a rest in three sections. A fire erupted, completely distroying the airframe. Although a majority of those onboard escaped, 35 passengers and 2 flight attendants died in what was left of N1963.

When the American Airlines pilot union notified management it would soon refuse to operate jets into St. Thomas, the APA got their wish. American established a wholly-owned subsidiary – American Inter-Island – just to ferry AA passengers between St. Croix and St. Thomas. American made an extensive search for suitable aircraft, ending in purchase of four Convair 440’s from Delta Air Transport of Belgium. A fifth 440 was added later to the fleet.

This arrangement was agreed to by the APA until runway improvements were finished at St. Thomas. A tiny piston-powered island-hopping pilot group would not easily fit into the large APA, and an temporary exception was deemed reasonable in this case from the normal union requirement that all flying controlled by American Airlines be flown by American Airlines pilots. Former APA president Bob Malone remembers this arrangement, “as the very start of scope.”

When the 727's returned to St. Thomas, American InterIsland was sold. But it clearly was the prototype of American Eagle opartations at AMR.

Later, after deregulation, RC bought most of the Eagle commuter carriers as he was worried that Lorenzo would buy them and thus remove his feed.
 
Thanks Skygod, I'd never heard that story before.
 
You're very welcome. Two page story and pictures was in 'Airways' magazine Aug 1998. The humble scribe was one D. English. I won't ask if it was you . . .
 
D. English...we have a lot in common! ;)
 
I used to love seeing the DFW crew coordinators go nuts after making a PA for English, which I'd answer, and then flat out refuse the trip. I'd hear lots of angry shouting to crew scheduling and the chief pilots office. Then they'd ask for my employee number and figure out that I was in the ATR while your trip was in the SAAB . . . which I why I refused the flight . . .

It's so boring now to go to work, fly, and go home. Remember when the cops were called to the DFW crewroom when the CA and FO were throwing fistie cuffs over a F/A girlfriend? Or a certain captain making 60 seperate logbook entries for passenger seats on one ATR that didn't meet some seat-cushon/floatation-aid standard mx had just learned about?
 

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