American Connection?

[skydiverdriver]

You guys should all be joining us at rjdefense.com, to force ALPA to keep this kind of stuff from happening to ANYBODY!

 

[XJAVRO]

To those CHQ guys that got fired, welcome to Bedford's world!!! I talked to a bunch of CHQ guys before Sept11 who just loved bedford. Now they see the light. Bedford is scum he'll screw everyone to make his money. So you AE guys watch out to he'll take as much AA flying as he can get.

 

[MartinFierro]

American Connection

Just wanted to say one thing about the TSA/CHQ problem at Eagle.

I myself am currently on furlough from Eagle. The American Connection problem is deeper than merely TSA/CHQ continuing to fly their routes. It is also a problem in terms of our scope with AA.

While AA has any pilot on furlough, Eagle is not allowed to increase system capacity that it had when those furloughes took place. So at the moment Eagle is locked into the capacity it had as of Oct. 1. While currently Eagle is not flying to that capacity, it cannot expand past it until AA recalls everyone.

The problem is that all of the flying that TSA/CHQ does as American Connection counts towards that limit. So, even if Eagle is making money and is in a position to recall pilots to fly our old routes (not having ANYTHING to do with TSA/CHQ routes), Eagle will not be able to recall all of our pilots until AA has all its pilots back, simply because of American Connection. That, my friends, is not just.

 

[FlyinBrian]

I didnt' want to get to into the extremely complex situation Eagle is in, but Martin is right. Even if TSA/CHQ kept all of their current routes, they are would still be stealing routes from AE pilots since we have to stay under the ASM cap.

 

[FL370]

Taken from Aviation International News :

http://www.ainonline.com/issues/01_02/01_02_eaglepilotspg62.html

Since Eagle does not currently operate out of St. Louis, the company would have to establish a new base there in the unlikely event arbitrators rule that Chautauqua and Trans States cannot operate as American Connection. Of course, ALPA will attempt to use the scope provisions in its contract as leverage in its scheduled negotiations for better pay and work rules.

It will be interesting to see how things turn out....

FL370

 

[Draginass]

When AA bought the assets of TWA, there should have been a big red flag seen by the AE guys -- specifically with regards to CHQ and TSA. Since CHQ and TSA flying for AE is scoped out of the AE contract, the only thing to do would be to buy CHQ/TSA or negotiate scope relief from AE ALPA. This is just like AA had to do with APA in order for TWA LLC to fly under the AA code.

I still maintain that CHQ and TSA flying AE code is a clear scope violation. What's "fair" and to whom is immaterial. When CHQ and TSA hitched their wagon to a dying airline, any agreements or "rights" they had died with it. It's AE's scope agreement with AMR. CHQ nor TSA pilots fought and paid for AE ALPA's scope clause. CHQ and TSA pilots don't have squat to say about it.

One more time . . . . . What's the most important part of a labor contract???

 

[FlyinBrian]

What IS the most important part of the a labor contract?

I'd say that both parties following through is the most important part... Contracts are meaningless if either party wantonly violates while the other party grieves and grieves and grieves. The only recousre in this case is to GO TO COURT!