Ambush

[phishn@daves]

Ok Sarka.....WHY ARE WE THERE?

Stop your Fodder and at least answer one question intelligently!!!

Sarka, I'm just asking questions............I don't have the inside info you do, maybe you know more, maybe you know less.....BUT, I'm giving you what I know, I'm not knocking you for what you do, and I'm not mocking you for your opinions!!!

GROW UP, and that's the problem kids!!!

People like you never get over the cowboys and indians phase, or the cops and robbers, or the weekend playing paintball with the guy's...........now I'm mocking you.

Now I'm kidding.........but I'm really just trying to find out the truth here with the whole Bush and Iraq deal. Maybe I'm paying too much attention to Michael Moore!!!!

That's probably it!

 

[Sarka]

Ok Sarka.....WHY ARE WE THERE?

Stop your Fodder and at least answer one question intelligently!!!

Sarka, I'm just asking questions............I don't have the inside info you do, maybe you know more, maybe you know less.....BUT, I'm giving you what I know, I'm not knocking you for what you do, and I'm not mocking you for your opinions!!!

GROW UP, and that's the problem kids!!!

People like you never get over the cowboys and indians phase, or the cops and robbers, or the weekend playing paintball with the guy's...........now I'm mocking you.

Now I'm kidding.........but I'm really just trying to find out the truth here with the whole Bush and Iraq deal. Maybe I'm paying too much attention to Michael Moore!!!!

That's probably it!

Yes, I am acting like a child. Thanks for straightening me out. Let's agree to disagree.

I'm still waiting for the one intelligent question???

 

[phishn@daves]

Sarka,

Here is the question:

Why are we there (Iraq) when there are no longer WMD and they (Iraq) have no plans to attack us, they are not harboring terrorists, and hate the fact that we are there?

I just want an honest answer, from someone who may know more than I do about this!!!!!

I am serious about asking the question however, I may use too many exclamation points to seem like I am not!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Sarka]

Sarka,

Here is the question:

Why are we there (Iraq) when there are no longer WMD and they (Iraq) have no plans to attack us, they are not harboring terrorists, and hate the fact that we are there?

I just want an honest answer, from someone who may know more than I do about this!!!!!

They NO LONGER have WMD because we forced them to hide them or get rid of them.

Saddam is gone and they no longer have an organized military threat because we took them away from them. So, I would hope that they don't have plans to attack us anymore.

As far as not harboring terrorist, I think that is still yet to be determined.

Some hate the fact that we are there, but many are rejoicing the fact that we are there. But, the feel good success stories are rarely told.

So why are we still there? We are still there because we didn't do it right the first time. We didn't get rid of Saddam when we had a chance in '91 because that was not our mission. Our mission then was to get him out of Kuwait. And we did that. We stopped because we did not have the support from the UN and the world because it wasn't POLITICALLY CORRECT. And that was our biggest mistake. For over ten more years we allowed Saddam to defy the world and continue his brutality.

We didn't support the people who opposed him and tried to rebel against him after the first gulf war. That was our second mistake. We told them we would support them in ousting Saddam and then we didn't back them up and they were slaughtered. Why do you think they mistrust us so much now?

So why are we still there? To support the Iraqi people in their quest for self government, restore order and to rebuild their trust in us again. If we pulled out now, we would be leaving them high and dry, just like the last time. I'm sure I can speak for most of the guys over there and say that they do not want to be over there any longer than we need to, but there is still a job to be done. We need to stay until the Iraqis can govern and protect themselves again.

That is just my opinion.

 

[huncowboy]

why USA needs to stay in Iraq????

I don't need to be on the right congressional committee to answer this one. If USA pulls out now, the current weak made up government will be crushed. There will be a warm smoking pile of problems left with many desparate people. The perfect mix for breeding more extreme Muslim terrorists. The current Iraq w/o USA is the ultimate dream of all terrorist leaders right now, this is why they are pushing so hard. It would be a matter of months for an extremely religious party to take over the country right now. USA needs to stay there, and I can only pray they will stick it out long enough, perhaps for several years to come. Same goes for Afghanistan.

 

[Eddiespaghetti]

Hey Phishn, I dont notice any military time in your background. Thanks for using our military service to further your F$#ked up cause. Sounds like you are just another one of those lefties waiting for the 1000th US soldier death to gloat about and use to attack the Bush administration. Put your A$$ on the line for another human being, and maybe then you will have some credibility.

 

[phishn@daves]

Hey Hippie... open your eyes... we threw out a brutal dictator. Hitler never did anything to us, you think we should have left him in power? We waited to long on that one. Somalia was none of our business.. think we shouldn't have helped? The Japanese were building a brutal empire and we did nothing, then they attacked.

I agree with the hitler portion.........and I do see your point, like I said earlier in my posts.......there are 2 sides to every story.........I am just questioning!


That right there hit the nail on the head... all the **CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED** extreme lefties (Michael Moore and his cadre of uneducated self rightous crazies) fall into this category.. and why more people don't call them on it puzzles me. Oh ya... cuz the media has been proven to take a liberal stance on every issue


Hey PatMack.........I'll agree with that too, I have been reading Michael Moore, and I've been watching his movies...........but that is all I've got to base my thoughts on! If you read my original post's I am asking...............not inciting, although the beer tends to talk louder than I do.

Like I said before 2 sides to every story, I came to this forum to find out what you guy's thought................HOWEVER, I should know better than to come to a forum fighting for "the" cause and try to ask feelings about it!! I'm actually flying with an Army guy and he's giving me some good insight about what peoples general thoughts are and why, and if I offended anyone, I apologize.

Like I said before, Be safe!

 

[Sarka]

Hey PatMack.........I'll agree with that too, I have been reading Michael Moore, and I've been watching his movies...........but that is all I've got to base my thoughts on! If you read my original post's I am asking...............not inciting, although the beer tends to talk louder than I do.

Like I said before 2 sides to every story, I came to this forum to find out what you guy's thought................HOWEVER, I should know better than to come to a forum fighting for "the" cause and try to ask feelings about it!! I'm actually flying with an Army guy and he's giving me some good insight about what peoples general thoughts are and why, and if I offended anyone, I apologize.

Like I said before, Be safe!

phishn@daves -

I think it's big of you to come back and apologize and clearify your reasoning. It seems as though you are another victim our glorious media system. I, in turn, will apologize for jumping down your throat on this, but I tend to get a liitle worked up about certain issues and this is one of them. I hope you can see that there are many veterans and others that believe that we HAD to take a stand somewhere when it comes to radicals. Hope I was able to give you another perspective (rright or wrong).

 

[phishn@daves]

phishn@daves -

I think it's big of you to come back and apologize and clearify your reasoning. It seems as though you are another victim our glorious media system. I, in turn, will apologize for jumping down your throat on this, but I tend to get a liitle worked up about certain issues and this is one of them. I hope you can see that there are many veterans and others that believe that we HAD to take a stand somewhere when it comes to radicals. Hope I was able to give you another perspective (rright or wrong).

Thanks for seeing what I was trying to say........I think you are right about the media..but what do you expect us lay folk to think when all we see is two very biased sides of every issue. I don't trust anything that the newspapers or the news casters say, I'm just going on what I read.......and yes I saw "bowling for columbine" first ( about a month ago), and then read and saw other Michael Moore documentaries! Have you seen any of them, and with what I have seen what am I supposed to think about this stuff? Is he telling the truth about things or does he just bend it to make people think like him?

Anyway, wrong venue for all of this..................or maybe not. Or, Maybe I should have started my posts with my last paragraph.

 

[Sarka]

Thanks for seeing what I was trying to say........I think you are right about the media..but what do you expect us lay folk to think when all we see is two very biased sides of every issue. I don't trust anything that the newspapers or the news casters say, I'm just going on what I read.......and yes I saw "bowling for columbine" first ( about a month ago), and then read and saw other Michael Moore documentaries! Have you seen any of them, and with what I have seen what am I supposed to think about this stuff? Is he telling the truth about things or does he just bend it to make people think like him?Anyway, wrong venue for all of this..................or maybe not.

I guess the only thing I can say is try to find stories that give both sides and make up your mind. Or find people that have direct knowledge of the situation and ask them (some on this board have been to Iraq, myself included). Everything can be twisted or edited to support whichever view the author wants to give to support their own agenda. Does Michael Moore have an agenda? Yes. Does Rush Limbaugh? Yes. You have to make up your own mind, but make sure you get both perspectives and try to sort through all the BS.

 

[Eddiespaghetti]

Group hug....

 

[phishn@daves]

Group hug....

HA!

I know, it's funny how things work themselves out when people explain themselves............now all we have to do is tell the rest of the world what we did!

 

[ThomasR]

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[phishn@daves]

I'll accept your apology, as long as you scrape that Kerry/Edwards sticker off your Car that I KNNNOW is on there!

Well, I still don't know about the upcoming elections. I did vote for bush last time and I think he did a great job post 9/11. I'm too jaded now by watching farenheit 9/11 and Bowling for columbine. You guy's seem to have some respect for Bush and that makes me think he can't be all bad. Well, we'll see! AND I don't have a Kerry/Edwards sticker on my car. It's on my flightbag!!! (Joke)

See Ya

 

[phishn@daves]

I'm watching the olympics and the men's soccer team from Iraq is doing pretty good considering they didn't have a field to practice in until Bush sent you guy's there! It's easier to play when people aren't being shot in front of the goal line. Apparently some good things DO come from war! In fact they just barely made the cut to get into the olympics!!!!