VNugget
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THE Flying Ace
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Sad, but not the end. We had a warbird restoration shop at my home airport. What an art! A collection in corroded parts comes in and a Oshkosh winner goes out. The belly landing, while painful to witness, is childs play to the people with the talent to bring the old birds back to life. I bet it's flying again within a matter of months.
EagleRJ
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True- they can pull a corroding hulk out of the jungle and restore it to flying condition. Usually though, very few of the original parts make it onto the "restoration".
Hopefully this mishap didn't bend or crack the crankshaft. Merlin parts aren't FAA/PMA'd to be made by anyone as far as I know. The existing stock is all that is left.
The rest of the plane shouldn't be too hard to fix. A little sheet metal work on the scoop, the wingtips, and the tailcone. If the engine is fine, the owner may even get it back into the air for under six figures.
Hopefully this mishap didn't bend or crack the crankshaft. Merlin parts aren't FAA/PMA'd to be made by anyone as far as I know. The existing stock is all that is left.
The rest of the plane shouldn't be too hard to fix. A little sheet metal work on the scoop, the wingtips, and the tailcone. If the engine is fine, the owner may even get it back into the air for under six figures.
VNugget
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Whoa.
Once again I am fooled by some hobbyist's amazing talent.
I guess now that you bring it up, the couple of blades of grass in front of the radiator give away that the camera is "too" low. That tand ther's no N or serial numbers (I dunno, do they paint them on both sides?)
What gave it away to you?
Once again I am fooled by some hobbyist's amazing talent.
I guess now that you bring it up, the couple of blades of grass in front of the radiator give away that the camera is "too" low. That tand ther's no N or serial numbers (I dunno, do they paint them on both sides?)
What gave it away to you?
Thats not RC. Thats the real thing. The top blade and the blade facing out (horizontal) are Q-tipped. You can also see a faint puff of smoke behind the prop on the ground where the last blade hit. Also some "cement" smoke trailing the scoop. The antennae aft of the scoop is also modern. Any scale detail RC modeler would not put a modern antennae on his bird. Everything else can be reproduced to scale.
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Probably not...but the reason he's just sitting there looking forward is that the airplane's still moving.Q200_FO said:
If it were sitting still, you'd have to assume that the C.G. was approximately where the scoop is, and that wouldn't even make sense on a R.C. Mustang!
And guys, look closely: all the blade tips are bent. (Well, all the ones we can see, that is.)
Q200_FO said:
Definately not an RC plane. The tips are barely curled, and the scoop isn't crushed at all. At that point, he has probably barely realized anything is wrong. Probably just tenths of a second after prop impact.
I had more pictures of the accident, including pictures of the plane being loaded on a trailer. Not sure where I saved them now.
http://www.aero-news.net/news/sport...5253662-6d6a-45f7-9bed-9f617417f3cc&Dynamic=1
http://www.mustangsmustangs.net/p-51/survivors/pages/44-74878.shtml
http://www.warbirdalley.com/news.htm
Dan CFI/CFII
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I used to work for a restoration shop (and yeah, we had a few Mustangs)...
The doghouse (or the "scoop") can be a real pain depending on what the owner wants and what gets damaged. The lip of the inlet isn't simple sheet metal, and those are getting real hard to come by. If the owner is a real stickler for authenticity, you've got to rebuild the doghouse with exploding rivets. Now, exploding rivets are a very old blind rivet, and even in WW2 only about 3/4 of them worked out of the bag. Now, since all that remain are leftovers from the manufactiring of that era--it's real time consuming if you try to use the original exploding rivets.
It it were my plane, I'd repair it with Cherry and be done with it.
As to engines and engine parts: these really aren't all THAT bad to find. There are still people holding onto preserved, never run Merlins. Just waiting for the "right project" to come along. But for the most part, a decent machinist can fabricate most of the parts like cranks and cams. That, and these were also made for Merlins used in larger, multiengine airplanes--so they may not have the "mystique" of being fighter parts, but the engines last longer with the Transport parts in them.
From what I remember, valves were starting to become hard to come by, as were D model props. There should still be a good number of K model props, but how many people want to own a P-51K? The P-51D just sounds cooler, don't you think?
From the looks of that, that airplane should be flying within a year, easily. Just remember, in restoration: if it got bent, we can bend it back. But if it got lost, we can't lose it back.
Dan
The doghouse (or the "scoop") can be a real pain depending on what the owner wants and what gets damaged. The lip of the inlet isn't simple sheet metal, and those are getting real hard to come by. If the owner is a real stickler for authenticity, you've got to rebuild the doghouse with exploding rivets. Now, exploding rivets are a very old blind rivet, and even in WW2 only about 3/4 of them worked out of the bag. Now, since all that remain are leftovers from the manufactiring of that era--it's real time consuming if you try to use the original exploding rivets.
It it were my plane, I'd repair it with Cherry and be done with it.
As to engines and engine parts: these really aren't all THAT bad to find. There are still people holding onto preserved, never run Merlins. Just waiting for the "right project" to come along. But for the most part, a decent machinist can fabricate most of the parts like cranks and cams. That, and these were also made for Merlins used in larger, multiengine airplanes--so they may not have the "mystique" of being fighter parts, but the engines last longer with the Transport parts in them.
From what I remember, valves were starting to become hard to come by, as were D model props. There should still be a good number of K model props, but how many people want to own a P-51K? The P-51D just sounds cooler, don't you think?
From the looks of that, that airplane should be flying within a year, easily. Just remember, in restoration: if it got bent, we can bend it back. But if it got lost, we can't lose it back.
Dan
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Can a Normal catagory aircraft use a crankshaft that was made from scratch by a machine shop? I thought that would make the engine (and the plane) Experimental. I know a lot of warbirds are operated in Restricted category- maybe that allows use of scratchbuilt parts.
How many multi-engine aircraft besides the Lancaster and Mosquito were Merlin powered?
How many multi-engine aircraft besides the Lancaster and Mosquito were Merlin powered?
THE Flying Ace
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The is a shop in Wahpeton, MN (Tri State Aviation) that rebuilds new warbirds including P-51's. They have the blue prints and jigs that allow them to build a practacally new P51. Last time I was there, they were completing a Japenese Zero. Very cool place to visit if you ever fly to Wahpeton.
You can walk around in the hangers and see B25's, Corsair's, etc. They all kinds of engines laying around and somebody usually will give you the tour and show you all of their presses and the sort.
You can walk around in the hangers and see B25's, Corsair's, etc. They all kinds of engines laying around and somebody usually will give you the tour and show you all of their presses and the sort.
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Flying ACe is correct....
Gerry Beck is the man to see in BWP (Wahpeton, ND.) He taught my uncle to fly.
They have a pretty amazing collection of restoration projects in the hanger....
Beck searches all over the world to find authentic parts for his projects. The Zero he is building will be one of very few still flying in the world.
He could have that 51 in the photo up and running in a few months...nothing to it.
Gerry Beck is the man to see in BWP (Wahpeton, ND.) He taught my uncle to fly.
They have a pretty amazing collection of restoration projects in the hanger....
Beck searches all over the world to find authentic parts for his projects. The Zero he is building will be one of very few still flying in the world.
He could have that 51 in the photo up and running in a few months...nothing to it.
Dan CFI/CFII
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If my memory is working right (and it may not be)...
The shop I used to work in would get a new part machined, and then someone from FSDO would come over and check that it conformed to the spec for whatever it was. All of the data you could ever want on P-51s is stored by the NASM. You want to know what the differences in canopy release brackets were between the P-51D-5 and the P-51D-10, they've got those drawings and usually the memos that describe why the changes were made.
I'm pretty sure we just had a fed come out and do a conformity inspection of some sort. I didn't get too involved in that, I was just a lackey doing sheetmetal, brackets, latches and whatnot.
As to multiengines airplanes build using the Merlin: Lancaster, Mosquito, the DC-4/Merlin Conversion, and a few other minor types come to mind. It's not so much that they made millions of them, but that they haven't been snatched up by collectors like the Stangs and Spits have.
Dan
The shop I used to work in would get a new part machined, and then someone from FSDO would come over and check that it conformed to the spec for whatever it was. All of the data you could ever want on P-51s is stored by the NASM. You want to know what the differences in canopy release brackets were between the P-51D-5 and the P-51D-10, they've got those drawings and usually the memos that describe why the changes were made.
I'm pretty sure we just had a fed come out and do a conformity inspection of some sort. I didn't get too involved in that, I was just a lackey doing sheetmetal, brackets, latches and whatnot.
As to multiengines airplanes build using the Merlin: Lancaster, Mosquito, the DC-4/Merlin Conversion, and a few other minor types come to mind. It's not so much that they made millions of them, but that they haven't been snatched up by collectors like the Stangs and Spits have.
Dan
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Dan CFI/CFII
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I dunno if Kermit his the largest collection of new in box Merlins or not.
I know of a now-deceased buy who had, on quick count, 120 in boxes. All hiding inside a barn. Him and Kermit were a bit chummy though, it wouldn't surprise me if Kermit got the engines when he passed.
Pretty amazing, they found a crack int he head on one of the engines, two days later there was a Merlin in a box. The next week, it got driven out for overhaul. Impressive to say the least.
Dan
I know of a now-deceased buy who had, on quick count, 120 in boxes. All hiding inside a barn. Him and Kermit were a bit chummy though, it wouldn't surprise me if Kermit got the engines when he passed.
Pretty amazing, they found a crack int he head on one of the engines, two days later there was a Merlin in a box. The next week, it got driven out for overhaul. Impressive to say the least.
Dan
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