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[midlifeflyer]

Perhaps I should start a new thread asking how folks here feel about this TSA rule? Am I the only one who thinks the TSA rule is a bit over the top?

Hardly. A lot of folks and groups are talking about it, although not a lot of discussion around here. Some are posting official comments directly to the DOT instead of jawing about it among themselves.

http://dms.dot.gov/search/searchResultsSimple.cfm?numberValue=19147&searchType=docket

and, of course, there is the "fear factor."

 

[nosehair]

Check out the TSA rule requiring CFIs to obtain birth certificates, passports, or naturalization papers from US citizens for Discovery Flights.

Re-e-ely!?? Wow! Now I can finally click my heels together, hold out my hand, put a smirky, contemptious smile on my face, raise an eyebrow and say..."Youah paipers, Pleeze."....

 

[midlifeflyer]

Re-e-ely!??

Yup. And as a CFI, you have to register with TSA.

There's an interesting exclusion for "demonstration flights for marketing purposes" defined as "a flight for the purpose of demonstrating an aircraft's or aircraft simulator's capabilities or characteristics to a potential purchaser, or to an agent of a potential purchaser".

So I guess you have to go through this rigmarole if Dad gets an intro lesson in a CE-152 for his birthday but not if you are, say, a wayward Saudi prince and want to see how well that B-737 "performs".

I don't think you were there at the time, but on the old theCFI board I answered a question by making up this incredibly stupid and farfetched scenario in which CFIs had to take down all sorts of information before an intro flight and submit a form 8710-BS to the local FSDO within a certain number of days after. I guess the lesson is, "think of something incredibly stupid and the government is bound to do it at some point"

 

[nosehair]

form 8710-BS

Form 8710-"B" "S"???.....that's just tooo good! ROFLMAO

 

[igneousy2]

This is such a typical knee jerk government reaction.

I'm surpised AC 61-21 isn't classified TOP SECRET yet.

Maybe they should ban sectional charts and GPS units so that terroist can't find their targets.

This is ridicules.

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[dolphinjazz]

And as a CFI, you have to register with TSA.

I originally heard "register with your local FSDO." (either way, makes no sense)

Okay, how ridiculous. So, even more ridiculous, I call up the local blokes and ask for an operations inspector. Told him that I wish to register with him. Right now!

He had no clue... none. And, they still don't... I mean Jeeeeeezzzz... they only have a 3-inch file on me at the FAA going all the way back to the 70s. And now they need me to "check in???"

What gets me is that I do *not* see the outrage.

EAA sent out another note just a few minutes ago. "EAA is reviewing the new rule (49 CFR Part 1552) to determine how all the new training categories will affect all of our members."

Not, "this is the biggest crock since the Disney TFR..." or... "we're going to fight this with all our might..." or "these goons couldn't detect 10,000 pounds of T-N-T in a cargo hold of a 757, but they are going to have all CFIs register..." NO... nothing along these lines.

NAFI also sent the same nonsense out yesterday. I wrote to them asking them for their position... or rather "op-" position... still waiting for a response.

It seems like all the alphabet groups are taking this lying down. Or... maybe I am just not paying attention. I personally have not heard the outrage.

(I probably should have posted this as a new thread... if there is interest past this post, maybe we should?)

Best,

Garrett

 

[midlifeflyer]

"Alien" Flight Idstruction - TSA-2004-19147

What gets me is that I do *not* see the outrage.

It's there but subdued. Aviation groups are expressing opposition but doing it in a way that avoids being labeled as a bunch of anti-security crazies. (I'm sure that at least one candidate for office in your area has been labeled with the absurd "anti-defense" tag because of some small part of the home war on terror he or she =dares= think goes too far), So the opposition is being made, but carefully. AOPA, as usual, is working with it's contacts in Congress. NAFI last week solicited member comments (I made one) that I think they are going to use in a formal opposition Comment.

 

[igneousy2]

All of the aviation groups need to start getting together and taking a united stand on the issues. There is a lot of common ground. If they all come out together then it will help the public perception problem.

It is absurd that criticizing a system is viewed as being blasphamus. (sorry sp?)

It is possible to be for airline security (as I am), to anti TSA (which I also am).

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