Alternate Minimums 91.169

[Jedi_Cheese]

WTF
Are you F*cking serious!?!?!?!

I keep asking myself why they have all these different minimums...why not just teach everyone the same minimums from the get-go?

-mini

Because we are pt 91 and they don't care (as much) if we go off and kill ourselves.

 

[minitour]

Because we are pt 91 and they don't care (as much) if we go off and kill ourselves.

The government doesn't care about us??

Go figure!

 

[lawfly]

Alternate Minimums

And if the ALTERNATE airport has no instrument approach procedure, then alternate's c & v must be such as to allow descent from the MEA, approach, and landing under basic VFR. 91.169(c)(2).

 

[pilotyip]

Alternate?

Without an approach would it have a TAF? If no TAF how could you determine it meets alternate minimums?

 

[midlifeflyer]

Without an approach would it have a TAF? If no TAF how could you determine it meets alternate minimums?

Area forecast and other weather products. Perhaps that TAF for the airport only 10 miles away.

Do you see "TAF" anywhere in the regulatory requirements?

 

[midlifeflyer]

Because we are pt 91 and they don't care (as much) if we go off and kill ourselves.

Actually, I think it's the other way around. The operators under the other parts have tighter requirements because they are carrying paying passengers. Heck they ever require certificates that say things like "commercial" or ATP.

minitour, want Part 91 under tighter rules? Be careful what you wish for. You just might get it. Check out the TSA rule requiring CFIs to obtain birth certificates, passports, or naturalization papers from US citizens for Discovery Flights.

 

[pilotyip]

Must be a 121/135 thing

In order for an airport to qualify as an alternate in air carrier service you must have forecast for that airport showing it will at or above alternate minimums at the ETA to the alternate. Even if the area forecast says VFR to the moon, you would still need that airports TAF to file as an alternate. I have always applied that rule to my 91 flying.

 

[lawfly]

"appropriate weather reports or weather forecasts, or a combination of them..." 91.169(c)

 

[minitour]

...
minitour, want Part 91 under tighter rules? Be careful what you wish for. You just might get it. Check out the TSA rule requiring CFIs to obtain birth certificates, passports, or naturalization papers from US citizens for Discovery Flights.

Not necessarily do I want us under tighter rules...its just a P.I.T.A. to learn all of these minimums and then eventually (God willing) have to re-learn a whole new set of minimums...

but that is a good point...where does the TSA stop? If they make us get all of that info for a 30 minute flight where we may never see the person again, does that mean I'm going to have to (eventually) get my friends' birth certificates when they want to go jump in a 152 to go see their house from 3,000'?

I can see where this is going to be a big can of Wermz in the coming months/years...

-mini

 

[dolphinjazz]

Regarding TSA rule...

Be careful what you wish for. You just might get it. Check out the TSA rule requiring CFIs to obtain birth certificates, passports, or naturalization papers from US citizens for Discovery Flights.

I was hoping to find some discussion regarding this. I searched the messages in most of the forums here, but have seen nothing mentioned except the above quote. (I might have missed it.)

I have been quite disappointed in this ruling personally, but I don't see the outrage from the instructors or flight schools. Or maybe I am missing it?

Perhaps I should start a new thread asking how folks here feel about this TSA rule? Am I the only one who thinks the TSA rule is a bit over the top?