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I've had quite a few independant thoughts. At least I thought they were until I saw someone else had already posted the same idea. The only thing I hate more than the unions is someone who bitches about it, and does nothing. I dislike the unions actions, but you don't see me here bitching about the union. So glad to see the union likes guys who hate it.

 

[PBRstreetgang]

riiiiiight

Turn off the computer, drink alot of water, and go to bed.......

Wrong answer,
Line up 12 waterglasses filled with Bacardi 151, drink rapidly until all are gone!
If you are a Capt. your F/O's may thank me for the senority number, if you are a F/O your Capts may thank me for saving their next months line from an idiot. If you are a CFI well you get the idea, fuk off
PBR

 

[Thrust Master]

Always
Leading
Pilots
Astray

If ALPA bugs you like it bugs me, just look at it as license
insurance, good legal department and medical assistance.

Have another beer and shot, while your burp'n say
ALPA 3 times...This should help...

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Always
Leading
Pilots
Astray

...

Because when it comes to the politics of the Air Line Pilot, pilots are dumber than a sack of marbles. Thus they come up with trash like this to justify thier ignorance on the issues....

Ever fly with a guy who didn't understand what was going on the cockpit? He would blame everybody but himself... ATC, the wx, the company and fellow crewmembers....

After you're done with your rant, we'd like to take care of business....

 

[se1776]

alpa my a$$

 

[coolyokeluke]

I can see the sophistication of the union haters on this thread with their well thought out objective point by point critisicms. Give me a break guys, ALPA is a representation of the pilots. If you don't like how you're being represented, get informed and get involved. Swearing on an anonymous board, yea, that's the ticket!

Read "Flying the Line" sometime. Sure it's pro-labor but you might get an understanding of how things were before pilots had any representation.

The airlines are going through an awful time right now. It it any suprise that pilots have had to make concessions, look at the history of pilot pay/benefits and how it's cycled with the ups and downs of the industry. No everything's not going to be ideal when the upturn (when's it going to be?) comes but that's life. A lot of the people who complain and are cynical about their job and industry have obviously never worked in another field or in a bad job, something that would give them some perspective.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Read "Flying the Line" sometime. Sure it's pro-labor but you might get an understanding of how things were before pilots had any representation.
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Actually it isn't pro labor. George Hopkins initally wrote The Airline Pilots: A Study in Elite Unionization, 1971. He was asked by ALPA to write Flying the Line Vol. I, 1982. An incredible read with some dry spots. However required for anyone who gives 1.95% of their income.

Hopkins was asked again to write the second part, published in 2000, which included deregulation. You think Lorenzo was bad? Read about EL Cord. Also CR Smith whom AMR has named thier beloved museum after.


With copy of Vol II in hand turn to page XII of the Preface.

Hopkins, the books' author writes

JJ O'Donnell [then ALPA's president] asked me to write another history commemorating the unions 50th anniversary. With the understanding that I would give ALPA its history "warts and all," I agreed.

The result was Flying the Line; the First Half Century of the Airline Pilots Association, published in 1982. My interpretation of ALPA's history was not censored. I work for Western Illionis University specifically and for an abstraction called history" generally. Although frankly nervous about the book, O'Donnell understood that prettified "court history" praising the King (so to speak) would be worthless. If pilots were to derive insight from my book, it had to be free to go wherever truth took it.

Hopkins placed his academic career on writing the truth and not being a chump.


Contact your LEC rep and ask for a copy. He might be able to get a complimentry copy. If not what is $10.

Then you can read about how pilots showed up for work, only to be met by an armed guard who escorted them to a company official. This company official handed the pilot both a resignation and an employment application....at a lower wage! (Vol I, chapter 6, page 48)

Coming to work nowadays isn't so bad.


Need more? Read 'When the Airlines Went to War' In this book you will read how Air Line Pilots disregarded thier labor contracts during WWII to 'transport the army and navy' and how the airlines trained Navigators, Pilots and mechanics by the thousands. The required rapid mobilzation of America's Air Power would have never happened if it wasn't for the US Airlines.

You'll earn a new respect for Airports like LGA and DCA, commonly refered to as sh1tholes by the ignorant. LGA and DCA have more history, culture and character than most of us....

Pride in being an Air Line Pilot is not popular right now, but you'll find it in these books...