Alpa Pac & Age 65

[flygirlqt]

http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/080219/air_line_pilots_association_lobbying.html?.v=1


If I understand this correctly, ALPA was already spending money lobbying prior to the polling of the membership?

 

[Tejas-Jet]

Time to start a new union.

The US Airways guys have indicated that they have had enough.

 

[Freight Dog]

http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/080219/air_line_pilots_association_lobbying.html?.v=1


If I understand this correctly, ALPA was already spending money lobbying prior to the polling of the membership?

Yes ma'am. That's why you won't see me donate a red penny to ALPA PAC, at least not as long as the current clowns are in there.

 

[flygirlqt]

Yes ma'am. That's why you won't see me donate a red penny to ALPA PAC, at least not as long as the current clowns are in there.

I'm also done with the pac after this.

 

[Sig]

ANNNNNNNNnnnndddd... queue the questions from Rez.

My 21,916th day of life was supposed to be the end of my career, and I'd have the time to do whatever the heck I want. I anticipated the last five to ten years to be no less hectic than the first, because I would still be the sweat equity a bungling group of dipsh!ts in suits NEED to keep their MBA wet dreams afloat. I just thought I'd be let out of the stable after working pretty darned hard for a few decades as a hack in a weakening profession- but I guess all of the above is MY fault?

Nahh. I have three dozen or so years left to build a retirement and bail, put in what time I can to help pilots around me, and jettison this apple cart with as few regrets as possible. None of those regrets will ever be the PAC.

 

[PCL_128]

ALPA didn't lobby one bit in favor of the change until the EC and EB officially changed the policy.

 

[flygirlqt]

ALPA didn't lobby one bit in favor of the change until the EC and EB officially changed the policy.

I certainly do not remember reading or being told anywhere by ALPA they were lobbying for the change prior to the polling regardless of the EC and EB policy change. It seems to me that this spending of pac money was done without the knowledge of the rank and file.

It also clearly points out the true motivation of National all along. Follow the money trail and the answers appear. One more black mark in my book of my "representation" .

 

[PCL_128]

I certainly do not remember reading or being told anywhere by ALPA they were lobbying for the change prior to the polling regardless of the EC and EB policy change.

No lobbying on behalf of the change took place before the end of the polling. The EC and EB change in policy came after the polling was complete. Any lobbying that was done before that was done in favor of the Age 60 rule.

It seems to me that this spending of pac money was done without the knowledge of the rank and file.

The average ignorant rank-and-file member doesn't even know what the PAC is.

 

[flygirlqt]

No lobbying on behalf of the change took place before the end of the polling. The EC and EB change in policy came after the polling was complete.

I do not believe your time line is correct.

Any lobbying that was done before that was done in favor of the Age 60 rule.

You just contradicted yourself if you are sticking to your above statement.

The average ignorant rank-and-file member doesn't even know what the PAC is.

Wow. With an attitude like that you should be talking down to us from Herndon.

 

[DashTrash400]

The average ignorant rank-and-file member doesn't even know what the PAC is.

Sounds like something approaching contempt for the people you're supposed to be representing (or rather were representing before you left for a non-ALPA carrier). Not sure how that's supposed to instill confidence in ALPA's leadership. Do they all think of us this way?

 

[PCL_128]

I do not believe your time line is correct.

I can assure you that it is. I was there. Remember, I was one of the guys that submitted a resolution trying to prevent the change in policy. Part of my resolution was the inclusion of the polling results. I couldn't have included the polling results if they hadn't already been complete. The results were completed a couple of weeks before the EB meeting took place that changed the policy.

You just contradicted yourself if you are sticking to your above statement.

No I didn't. Prior to the change in policy, ALPA lobbied in favor of keeping the age at 60. After the change in policy, ALPA lobbied in favor of changing the age. Lobbying has always been going on on this issue, what changed is which side of the issue we were lobbying on.

Wow.

You disagree? Ask the next 10 Captains you fly with to explain to you what ALPA-PAC is. I guarantee that at least 6 out of 10 won't even be able to explain the basics.

 

[PCL_128]

Sounds like something approaching contempt for the people you're supposed to be representing (or rather were representing before you left for a non-ALPA carrier). Not sure how that's supposed to instill confidence in ALPA's leadership. Do they all think of us this way?

It's not contempt, it's a statement of fact based on years of observation as an ALPA rep. The basic problem with ALPA is lack of participation by the rank-and-file membership. They don't even understand the basics of the Association. All they know is the gossip and crew room rumor-mongering.

 

[Tejas-Jet]

Sooooo...how's the recall Prater resolutions going?

 

[pipe]

No lobbying on behalf of the change took place before the end of the polling. The EC and EB change in policy came after the polling was complete. Any lobbying that was done before that was done in favor of the Age 60 rule. The average ignorant rank-and-file member doesn't even know what the PAC is.

Great, I feel much better. They waited for the completely corrupt PUSH POLL and then ignored the results first.

Now that the timeline is cleared up it all seems much more above board.

PIPE

 

[stillflyn]

Does anyone know how to opt out of our alpa pac contributions?

Stillflyn