ALPA on Emirates and Etihad

[sniper]

Nor in China Sherlock...want US citizens/compnaies/DAL to stop doing business with the Chinese.?

Speaking of business NY Times reporting a massive arms deal signed with UAE - initial details saying 26 New Gen F16s with lots of extras.

Great for US jobs. Can't see the Chinese ordering F16s.

Got an iPad? Enjoy - shipped to US by EK from China - gonna throw it out?

Get a grip

fv

Our Economy and Boeing as a company does not depend on the dessert.
Your orders are a drop in the bucket.

By the way now you can fly an F16 as well with an emiratii uniform.

 

[sniper]

Hey Sherlock - they're from Chechnya - what fook all the Russian & CIS airlines too?

fv

Mother Russia and the CIS are not Muslims
They are Christian Orthodox numnut.
Muslims and terrorist groups start from the desert so enjoy your desert but don't ask for help when time comes and dont run in the Embassy.
Go put your new uniform and defend your payroll department. You are a foreign legion member now.

You are been used by them you have been warned.

 

[Freight Dog]

Sniper, you're my hero... please keep up the comedy.... LOL

 

[fareview]

EY & AC sign code share agreement.

Can't believe an ALPA carrier would do that to their own...tut tut tut.

fv

 

[General Lee]

EY & AC sign code share agreement.

Can't believe an ALPA carrier would do that to their own...tut tut tut.

fv

Yes, for connections in LHR onward to AUH. No extra flights to Canada for EY. Canada knows the dangers of allowing unrestricted access to someone who doesn't really fly O&D traffic, but rather takes away connecting passengers from their own national airline. Austria just figured that out too with a different airline.


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[flyboyike]

Yes, for connections in LHR onward to AUH. No extra flights to Canada for EY. Canada knows the dangers of allowing unrestricted access to someone who doesn't really fly O&D traffic, but rather takes away connecting passengers from their own national airline. Austria just figured that out too with a different airline.

Remember when the Big Three automakers thought protectionism would save them, too?

 

[General Lee]

Remember when the Big Three automakers thought protectionism would save them, too?

That is one reason for consolidation, get bigger to be able to compete more on the World scale. (The big 3 here will definitely get stronger due to fewer domestic players--DL/AA/UA) There are 3 big airlines in the ME too, EK, EY, and QR. All of them have HUGE orders, all hoping to make their corner if the UAE a gigantic hub. Not all if them will make it, protectionism from Europe will squash them if their own National Airlines (Lufthansa, AF, KLM, etc) start really hurting. Canada, Germany, France, and now Austria are limiting flights or the number of cities they can go to in each seperate country. Why give unrestricted access and cause your own national carrier to lay off your own citizens? Politicians often don't get re-elected for reasons like that. Gotta treat the locals right, and there isn't a problem when each airline flies one flight from each city. Can SAS fill an A340 once a day to Dubai from Copenhagen? Maybe. That flight doesn't continue onward, it goes back to CPH. But EK and other airlines poach Danes not going to Dubai, but onwards to Bangkok, and at a lower price due to Govt help or cheap Ex IM loans, and SAS can't do the same. That's not fair, and governments are becoming aware of that. Tell me, who can afford 180 A380s and 275 777s? A normal airline? Can AF afford that? Ummm nooooo.


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[Freight Dog]

Actually General, European and US carriers are usually substantially cheaper than Emirates. For example, Delta is usually cheaper than Emirates to the tune of several hundred dollars for economy and north of 2 grand in business class...

Yet, I regularly travel with Emirates back and forth to the US... ever stop and wonder why?

 

[General Lee]

Actually General, European and US carriers are usually substantially cheaper than Emirates. For example, Delta is usually cheaper than Emirates to the tune of several hundred dollars for economy and north of 2 grand in business class...

Yet, I regularly travel with Emirates back and forth to the US... ever stop and wonder why?

I don't really care why. Those US and European carriers are probably full, but they can't afford 275 more 777s plus 180 more A380s. It's called fairness, and those Gulf airlines are stealing pax away from local carriers for connections, while they somehow can afford hundreds of new widebodies. How can any airline afford that, without a little "help?" That's what is not fair. Also, you and the rest of the "help" are the main people who actually get off in DXB, the super rich fly their own jets and then limo to Palm Island. Oh wait, you must be super rich now, you can afford several hundred dollars more to oogle at the younger FAs. Good for you and your wife! (Is she gawking at the young male FAs? Are you? There's nothing wrong with that, btw)




Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[fareview]

The reaction to the Gulf carriers (I would include TK)is the same shouting that happened with the other two game changers in aviation - RJs & LCCs

The major pilots pizzed & moaned about how the LCCs were stealing jobs, PFT, letting the profession down etc...and now look at the dominant position of SWA and the impact if LCCs

Then they said the same about RJs...now the RJs do over 50% of domestic US flights.

The brute force of the market can be slowed but not turned.

BA(QR), AC(EY) & QF(EK) realized it and made their move by making a deal - some more ltd than QF.EK but nonetheless important and the first step to the realignment of global aviation.

The first US carrier to do a Qantas type deal with EK will win this fight...it WILL happen and I have no doubt that in the boardrooms of the US majors (incl SWA as easyJet just signed a deal with EK) the discussions are ongoing.

India, PAK, BANGLADESH & SLanka alone is 1.8bn that will be one stop to any major city in the US to the first mover in this new world order. With 5% annual growth that market will double in 13 years...massive.

Actually DAL would be a perfect fit...don't think it's not been discussed. The spoils will go to the first mover.

If BA & QF (one world), AC (Star) can turn their back on the old alliances then get ready for more interesting moves.

fv