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DATE:31/03/10
SOURCE:Flight International
Almost all regional pilots are seriously fatigued

By David Learmount

An extensive survey of regional airline pilots, mostly in the USA but also in many other countries, has revealed that more than 96% regularly fly in a fatigued state.
US company Alertness and Performance Management (APM) presented the findings at the recent Flight Safety Foundation European Aviation Safety Seminar in Lisbon.

APM summarises the general findings, gleaned from the 1,359 responses, as follows: "The lifestyle of the regional airline pilot is characterised by low pay, long duty days, early morning departures, late night arrivals, short layovers/overnights, multiple take-offs and landings per duty period...these pilots are generally younger than their major airline counterparts [see pie chart], and have young, growing families."
The company says there is a dire need for airlines to apply fatigue risk management, and most pilots say they want it, but the carriers' sole guideline is national flight time limitations regulation, and sometimes union agreements.

The survey found that more than 28% of the regional airline pilots reported they have another job, in addition to flying, to boost their earnings. Some 41% commute from home to their base for the start of duty periods, many by air. Duty days average 8-12h for 70.4% of respondents, but 25.1% report an average for the six months of more than 12h/duty day. Some 40% of them flew 400h or more in the last six months, and 73% of all reported flights are less than 2h flying time, which suggests a high proportion of multiple-sector days.
Among the respondents, 58% were co-pilots and 42% captains, 76% of respondent pilots fly jet aircraft, and 33% have 3,000h or fewer in their logbooks.

Lack of roster predictability is a major source of stress for pilots. Monthly rosters are presented to nearly half the pilots less than a week before the month begins, and 3.3% are not provided with a schedule. A significant proportion - 15% of respondents - are "required" to be "available" and contactable when off-duty. APM found that nearly half the companies (48%) called the pilots when off duty at least twice during the last six months, and some had been called as many as five times.
Overnight rest times vary. Some 73% report that they normally get 10h or more off between duties, but 26.5% said they get fewer than 10h. Pilots all report that, when overnighting away from base, their rest time is deemed to begin 30min after landing, but it would be more realistic for it to begin at hotel check-in.


More than half the pilots say it takes over 60min to get to sleep at the hotel, with 71.3% saying they use television to help them relax before sleep, with 14.2% taking sleep medication and 13.8% admitting they resort to alcohol. Most pilots report waking once at night, and a quarter twice. When they have an early start, 76.7% say they worry about sleeping through the wake-up call, and 38.4% say they have reported late for duty in the past six months because of sleeping through it. Discipline for late duty arrival affected 18.3% of reporting pilots.

Nearly 60% of pilots said they believed they would face discipline if they declared themselves too fatigued to report for duty, and 96.7% said they frequently feel fatigued on final approach at the end of a duty day.




DAM SAM. Looks like you guys need some new "regs" on your side to help out, which also has the side affect of limiting what your airline can do. Talk about being between a rock and a hard place. Regardless, everyones' regs need to be fixed.


Bye Bye---General Lee
 
DATE:31/03/10
SOURCE:Flight International
Almost all regional pilots are seriously fatigued

By David Learmount

An extensive survey of regional airline pilots, mostly in the USA but also in many other countries, has revealed that more than 96% regularly fly in a fatigued state.
US company Alertness and Performance Management (APM) presented the findings at the recent Flight Safety Foundation European Aviation Safety Seminar in Lisbon.

APM summarises the general findings, gleaned from the 1,359 responses, as follows: "The lifestyle of the regional airline pilot is characterised by low pay, long duty days, early morning departures, late night arrivals, short layovers/overnights, multiple take-offs and landings per duty period...these pilots are generally younger than their major airline counterparts [see pie chart], and have young, growing families."
The company says there is a dire need for airlines to apply fatigue risk management, and most pilots say they want it, but the carriers' sole guideline is national flight time limitations regulation, and sometimes union agreements.

The survey found that more than 28% of the regional airline pilots reported they have another job, in addition to flying, to boost their earnings. Some 41% commute from home to their base for the start of duty periods, many by air. Duty days average 8-12h for 70.4% of respondents, but 25.1% report an average for the six months of more than 12h/duty day. Some 40% of them flew 400h or more in the last six months, and 73% of all reported flights are less than 2h flying time, which suggests a high proportion of multiple-sector days.
Among the respondents, 58% were co-pilots and 42% captains, 76% of respondent pilots fly jet aircraft, and 33% have 3,000h or fewer in their logbooks.

Lack of roster predictability is a major source of stress for pilots. Monthly rosters are presented to nearly half the pilots less than a week before the month begins, and 3.3% are not provided with a schedule. A significant proportion - 15% of respondents - are "required" to be "available" and contactable when off-duty. APM found that nearly half the companies (48%) called the pilots when off duty at least twice during the last six months, and some had been called as many as five times.
Overnight rest times vary. Some 73% report that they normally get 10h or more off between duties, but 26.5% said they get fewer than 10h. Pilots all report that, when overnighting away from base, their rest time is deemed to begin 30min after landing, but it would be more realistic for it to begin at hotel check-in.


More than half the pilots say it takes over 60min to get to sleep at the hotel, with 71.3% saying they use television to help them relax before sleep, with 14.2% taking sleep medication and 13.8% admitting they resort to alcohol. Most pilots report waking once at night, and a quarter twice. When they have an early start, 76.7% say they worry about sleeping through the wake-up call, and 38.4% say they have reported late for duty in the past six months because of sleeping through it. Discipline for late duty arrival affected 18.3% of reporting pilots.

Nearly 60% of pilots said they believed they would face discipline if they declared themselves too fatigued to report for duty, and 96.7% said they frequently feel fatigued on final approach at the end of a duty day.




DAM SAM. Looks like you guys need some new "regs" on your side to help out, which also has the side affect of limiting what your airline can do. Talk about being between a rock and a hard place. Regardless, everyones' regs need to be fixed.


Bye Bye---General Lee

Yes, everyone's regs need to be fixed- mainline and regional alike...........
 
This has gone on for years! Its no surprise! It will take a few more accidents before anything is really done. Its all about the dollar bill.....
 
I've flown long-haul international for many years now, and I can say without a doubt the biggest fatigue problems I've ever had in my career were at a regional -- on reserve.

Red-eyes are a close second.
 
European rest rules would be place to start. However there are always unintended consquences; it will then take more pilots to do the same flying. If prices rise to cover additional employees, then their will be fewer pax, thus a need for fewer pilots. It will be good for senior guys and bad for everyone else.
 
European rest rules would be place to start. However there are always unintended consquences; it will then take more pilots to do the same flying. If prices rise to cover additional employees, then their will be fewer pax, thus a need for fewer pilots. It will be good for senior guys and bad for everyone else.

Golly geeze dude, you on occasion develop a conscious and keep your Roger Cohen mind on standy for a while only to reappear on here to play the devil of the Colgan crash victims. WTF, roger, over?? If I was an FAA inspector, I'd violate you for being in a professional aviation training department while playing devil's advocate on such serious topics as rest rules and MELs, and as punishment require you visit every grave site of the Colgan crash victims. I dare to look at any of those family members in the eyes and try and restate your absolute market economic theories on pilot compensation and work rules.
 
How about discussion?

If we can have a reasonable discussion, then bring in all sides without insults, name calling and all the other FI stuff. Is the end of fatigue a goal? I agree then lets bring it on, but I ask what is the limit of ultimate crew rest? Is it everyone only works when they feel rested; they can call fatigue at any time during a trip, and refuse any assignment because they are not rested? How about a stopping a non-stop JFK-LAX at OMA, because they feel fatigued from that exhausting 10 hour jumpseat commute to pick that trip at JFK. How about no flying between 2200 and 0800, make it against the law? How about those 16 hour int'l flights? Will there now be stops and crew changes at BIRK? Followed by a RO2N to be fully rested for that last leg into Europe. There is no rest policy that will keep a crew fresh for all flights. Forced company rest at the crew base in bunk 25B will make it legal but not solve the problem. Whatever solution is offered it will be less flying and more time away from home in a hotel room. I have no dog in this flight, but "unintended consequences" could have devastating effects on the industry.
 
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Whatever solution is offered it will be less flying and more time away from home in a hotel room. I have no dog in this flight, but "unintended consequences" could have devastating effects on the industry.

Really? Well thats if we allow that in future contracts. What about the airlines having to put together some 60 to 70 hour lines that may be below min. guarantee? Egads, we can't have that now can we? That would mean the airline isn't getting every drop of blood from us, and they need their blood don't they!
 
Who will pay for it.

Really? Well thats if we allow that in future contracts. What about the airlines having to put together some 60 to 70 hour lines that may be below min. guarantee? Egads, we can't have that now can we? That would mean the airline isn't getting every drop of blood from us, and they need their blood don't they!
They have to fly their airplanes so many hours per month to generate X dollars, if you do that with Y crews averaging 80 hours per month, you will have 80Y=x. If you do it at 70 hours you will need (80/70)Y=x or 1.14% more crews to do the same flying. Now is everyone going to take a 14% pay cut to fly fewer hours, or does the airline raise its tickets prices by an amount to cover more crews doing the same flying? If they raise prices there will be fewer passengers, fewer airplanes, less flying, good for senior guys not so good for everyone else. In the end the consumer determines what an airline can charge for a tickets, not management, for labour. BTW If you the answers it is your duty to come into management and make it a better place for pilots to work. bTW Happy Easter everyone
 

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