All the whining....

[whymeworry?]

by the young, green, "wet behind the ears" whippersnappers is just too much fun!! I just can't suppress a grin every time I read their baby whining!!

Yeah, my 10,000 plus hours of experience and over 75 countries of operating into make me "wet behind the ears."

 

[regionalcap]

who is john galt?

Looks like he works at Southern Air.

 

[whymeworry?]

One more thing: read the law, gummer, our contracts now need to be renegotiated to make this work for your benefit. Ummmmmmmm... I'm thinkin' you're going to have a tough battle on that one. I'm not saying we'll win. But expect a formidable fight.

 

[Freight Dog]

Don't let this guy rile your feathers. He's trolling...

Just think of these guys that over the past 30 years haven't been smart enough to get their houses in order over the years. Most were around durning the heyday of aviation and now find themselves having to work an extra five years to survive.

Believe me, I ain't shedding a tear for any of our captains "forced" to retire. Back when they were FO's and then captains, they were able to afford nice homes in Hawaii Kai/Kailua/Diamond Head or outer islands. You and I can't qualify for a shoe box at any of those places even at A++++ credit because the prices are so out of reach. The equity in their homes alone should be a helluva retirement.

That said, I haven't lived the high life like a lot of these old time captains. No trophy wives, multiple houses (well none given to an ex wife anyway), fast cars, and I haven't spent every night eating dinner at $50 a plate restaurants either.

What do you call a hot tamale early 20's flight attendant who can drink your old ass under the table and still throw good darts?

If these guys want to gloat that they 'get' to work another five years, good on them! I can't imagine having to spend another five years sleeping in $hit hotels, commuting between heffer one in seat 22A and heffer two in seat 22C. No more calls from screw-keduling trying to bust me on the FARs or ruin my days off.

Ugh!

Nope, not for me, I wanna spend my years from 60-65 doing whatever in the heck I want to with my family and friends. Not hoping that I bid correctly and wondering what the first class mystery meat is on this flight! Age 65 they can have it! Just please don't screw the rest of us so we HAVE to fly until age 65. Most of my peers want to retire at 60... Let us!

Oh sure, they'll let you alright. But here's something to make your blood boil. Take the head of our Negotiations Committee... he was supposed be out next year. Think of the money he gets to collect in C-plan contributions for 5 additional years at OUR expense in addition to a 3/4 mil Hail Mary he just got with Age 65. Can you spell W-I-N-D-F-A-L-L?

 

[PBRstreetgang]

And those guys just paid themselves back by stealing from their fellow pilots. Why is it you don't call them whiners for being upset at the company stealing their pension, but you call us whiners for being upset at our fellow pilots stealing our salaries?

You missed the point, you have to possess the position to expect anything. Sitting in your parents basement flying MS flight sim to JFK and back to BOI does not entitle you to anything other than a chubbie and carpal tunnel.



Speaking of presumptions, you're pretty good at being wrong. Those aren't 5000+ Hours of MS time. I am here. Those hundreds of thousands won't be mine because I won't have the opportunity to earn them. Double dipping senior guys took that from us.

I am pretty good at telling whiny F/Os to STFU and swing the gear when told. Those hundreds of thousands will go to me, I want to have hot and cold running teenage hookers on the 60ft sailboat, and if the only way to get them is at the expense of a jack hole like you, I won't even blink twice. I am thinking the hookers will be all blonde with mid size cans, I want them to be able to work the rigging, without worrying about those cans getting rope burns. Oh yeah, I don't spell so good since I have been out of college for a long time, and just don't care, in fact if it annoys you so much the better!

Double dipping into the teenage hooker pool, from 60-65, YEAH! At your expense!

 

[Jonny Sacko]

How about this guy's plan. Off of the ALPA web site. Nicely thought out.​

An Open Letter To The LECs/MEC of Northwest Airlines​

December 15, 2007
Now that President Bush has signed H.R. 4343 ("age 65 mandatory retirement for pilots") into law, I would like the LECs/MEC to openly state their position on whether they will advance a change to our current contract to comply with the new law.
The majority of the NWA pilot force as well as the current LECs/MEC have stated their unequivocal opposition to changing the age 60 retirement age to the now legal age 65 mandatory retirement age.
I’m not a lawyer, never played one on TV or stayed at a Holiday Inn last night but in a reading of H.R. 4343, it appears there is no REQUIREMENT for the union to change the contract with respect to the current age 60 retirement age.
H.R. 4343, Paragraph (f) is specific that "Any amendment to a labor agreement or benefit plan of an air carrier that is required to conform with the requirements of this section or a regulation issued to carry out this section, and is applicable to pilots represented for collective bargaining, shall be made by AGREEMENT (my emphasis) of the air carrier and the designated bargaining representatives of the pilots of the air carrier."
Just as the FARs allow us to fly 1000 hours in a 12 month period but the contract limits us to less, so is the idea that the FARs can allow retirement at age 65 but we are under NO obligation to allow for it contractually.
The wording is pretty specific. Simply put, there is no OBLIGATION to modify the contract to change the retirement age to 65. I’m sure there are those who would like to challenge that view legally but the wording is VERY specific and indemnifies the union against such challenges.
The questions I put forth to you is will you stand by your previous vocal position against raising the contractual retirement age to 65? It’s nice to make a stand but the time has now come to put up or shut up. The majority of the NWA pilots have made their views known. It us up you as our elected reps to hold the line and comply with the wishes of your electorate. Will you?
Fraternally

 

[Jonny Sacko]

Recall Prater Now!

 

[Cardinal]

who is john galt?

Looks like he works at Southern Air.

LOL. The magnificent irony of it all. Interestingly, the fictional John Galt got tired of slaving for unappreciative welps and retired to his own little paradise, Galt's gulch. This John Galt doesn't know when to quit.

 

[bravodude]

What a wonderful day this is.

Let freedom reign.

I luv AA pilots what a bunch of !d1ots.

 

[AQ PILOT]

Tejas-

Actually, I doubt that I am looking at a small minority of 'you.' Something tells me that there is a much higher percentage of 55-60 year olds that are truly in dire straits due to lost pensions and lost pay rates than there are 48 year old guys livin' the dream at WN in the same boat.

Few points, I never said anything about people upgrading early nor referred to my contract. Frankly, we have one of the best set of work rules anywhere...our pay leaves a lot to desired but hey, who am I to complain? Like you said, it's a great part time job.

What real confuses me is why you ask if it meets with my approval that you and your wife do it up on Valentine's day. If you need to ask for my approval on that my friend, you have a lot more to worry about than birthday and holiday expenditures!

I very much appreciate your concern for my health and my curiosity in airline food. Please rest assured that I seem to be in pretty good shape for a guy that only has 200 posts in five years on flightinfo. I get out and enjoy my days off... no need to sit around and work a second job or park my arse in front of a computer long enough to log 800 posts in only two years on flightinfo. You mention that you do wanna stay active though. But if you consider flying a 737 'active' I just have to see you in action. Is it like three sets of before takeoff flows followed by two sets of flight control checks? What do you do on back days ;0)

Sorry, this is really going nowhere, I'm just playing with ya. I've read your posts in the past and usually find little substance in them. I'm sure you're a great guy and in all honesty I hope you have a great flying career as long as you wish to continue it. Age 65 is still just another arbitrary number, we all know that. My whole point was to highlight that the troll who started this thread had less than sincere intentions.

Now before you flame away, and I encourage you to do so (it will add to your total posts!), please take this all as tongue in cheek and have a great holiday season. And for chrissake, have a Happy Birthday and a great V-day in '08 ;0)

 

[AQ PILOT]

FreightDog-

Sorry man, was dealing with that yay-hoo (still teasin' you Tejas) that is worried about us not having a good contract. Have you heard any of the new TA stuff? Sounds awfully good to me. The rumors that are going around are a little more nerve wracking though...anyhow, I don't agree with you in that a guy should have to sell his home to have a good retirement. So equity in a primary residence doesn't really count. Now equity in a tertiary residence, yeah, that's fine by me. Sell that puppy and give us guys that have been here less than twenty years our full 10%!

I'll have you know that she did not drink me under the table, I simply was trying to get her to meet me under there to get a few tips on throwing darts ;0)

The C plan contributions are going to be addressed. They aren't going to pull the same shiite that they did last time. I've spoken with the R&I chair about it and he 'reassured' me. How do you make a rolling your eyes smiley face on here? Anyhow, we are mobilizing early this time. We just need to keep the pressure on. Worst part is, getting the money that is already allocated back from those few guys that have major major major lump sums "due" them. That has to be addressed before they actually disburse the funds!

Happy Holidays to you bro... I'm taking a day off between workouts... I flew yesterday and have to fly again tomorrow, I think I'm gonna superset after landing flows with FMC entries... (Smile Tejas)

 

[waveflyer]

who is john galt?

 

[ATRCA]

Don't let this guy rile your feathers. He's trolling...

Just think of these guys that over the past 30 years haven't been smart enough to get their houses in order over the years.--->You're looking at a small minority and thinking we are all the same. I've still got the original wife, last kid graduates from college in May, only live in one house but invested in real estate and now have some investments that are paying off very well, thank you very much. I drive a 2005 pickup truck ( albeit, loaded) and my wife drives a 1996 car...I want her to get a new one, but she really likes the one she has. Most were around durning the heyday of aviation and now find themselves having to work an extra five years to survive.--->You're half right. I did upgrade quickly...but don't need this age change to survive.

Take pity on them.--->Don't need it, Thank you I'm a mid 30's FO at Aloha and even I'm smart enough to have it figured out where I'll retire at age 60 very comfortably.--->Good on ya. MY plan has worked out verrrry well for me. I've got 12 years to go to get to 60....I'll decide then what to do about this great part-time job. Even if we go through more furloughs and downturns. A little money management and common sense goes a long way.--->Amen to that

That said, I haven't lived the high life like a lot of these old time captains. No trophy wives, multiple houses (well none given to an ex wife anyway), fast cars, and I haven't spent every night eating dinner at $50 a plate restaurants either. --->Thats good....I haven't either. Now, on Christmas, I do splurge on the kids, neices and nephews. My spouse and I do tend to do it up on Valentines Day and our respective Birthdays...hope that meets with your approval

If these guys want to gloat that they 'get' to work another five years, good on them! I can't imagine having to spend another five years sleeping in $hit hotels, commuting between heffer one in seat 22A and heffer two in seat 22C. No more calls from screw-keduling trying to bust me on the FARs or ruin my days off.--->Sounds like you guys need a better contract. Me? Well, my business keeps me busy at home and typically, I put most of my monthly trips in "give away" so that I only do 2-3 3day trips per month.

Nope, not for me, I wanna spend my years from 60-65 doing whatever in the heck I want to with my family and friends.--->I do too...but I wanna stay active. And this job is soooo easy that I have to really think about when I'll go out....60?...61?...62?...63? In addition at age 60, my AF reserve retirement will kick in....more to spend with and on the kids and grandkids ( when that time comes). Even then, a couple of 3 days per month...that'll be nice. Not hoping that I bid correctly and wondering what the first class mystery meat is on this flight!--->You eat airplane food !?!?! Please think about changing your diet...I do want you to make it to 60 so you can enjoy your retirement Age 65 they can have it! Just please don't screw the rest of us so we HAVE to fly until age 65. Most of my peers want to retire at 60... Let us!--->Who says you HAVE to stay until 65? At "my house" if one has enough pennies in their accounts, they can go at age 50...or 53...or 55...or 58...or 60...and now.... 65 if they choose...all with no penalty.

Say what you will but if you have had 20 yrs or more in this business and you NEED to work to 65, you deserve financial misery. Most of these guys are poor planners and now they want to take from others what they were unable to gain for themselves. I will be well ready for retirement when I'm 60. These guys have made a mess of their affairs and now they are trying to make a mess of mine.

 

[Stiffler]

Hamburger-

I was hoping you could explain it to me. Not taking any sides either way, I'm just curious how this new law cost you hundreds of thousands of dollars. What's your current position, or what level of pilot does this cost hundreds of thousands of dollars? Who does it hurt the most, ie. regional FO's/regional Capts/Major FO's, etc.? And how so?

 

[slaquer5]

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