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Rhino

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This from the Tacoma Newspaper this week.

Any opinions about early talks, or will they wait it out and end up in binding arbitration after being unable to come to a deal ?

"Alaska pilot talks suggested
JOHN GILLIE; The News Tribune

A union study recommends Alaska Airlines pilots begin contract negotiations soon to help the company shave its expenses.

A summary of that study by the Air Line Pilots Association's economic and financial analysis department, released Monday, concludes the SeaTac-based airline has an effective plan to restore its profitability but needs "appropriate" help to become competitive.


The study doesn't define what "appropriate" means.


Representatives of Alaska's 1,500 pilots could decide as early as next week whether to ratify those recommendations and begin negotiations soon or to reject them, said Gary Hansen, chairman of Alaska Air Line Pilots Association Master Executive Council.


Union officers have held meetings at Alaska bases in Seattle, Anchorage and Los Angeles to explain the study results, and a polling firm has questioned pilots about their preferences. The union won't say what that polling firm discovered.


If the union's executive council rejects the company's request for early concessionary negotiations, talks will start according to a predetermined timetable with first sessions beginning in March 2004. The pilots' regular contract will expire in May 2005.


Alaska is asking its employees to cut wages and benefits and to make changes in work rules to save the company $112 million in the next year.


The wage cuts are part of an airline plan to return Alaska's costs to the middle of the pack among major airlines.


The airline is depending on more effective purchasing, creative cost-cutting in operations and better utilization of its aircraft to provide the majority of its $307 million in projected cost savings. But Alaska's plan calls for $112 million in savings to come from labor cost cuts.


Recent concessions by unions at several of the nation's major airlines have left Alaska's costs at the high end of the scale among the nation's larger carriers. Pilots and other union members at other airlines have taken pay cuts of as much as 30 percent.


But those large cuts generally came while the airlines involved were in bankruptcy reorganization where a judge can force employees to slash their pay if the airline and the union don't voluntarily agree on such concessions. Alaska initially is seeking a 23 percent compensation cut from its pilots.


Tara Elkins, spokeswoman for the ALPA's Alaska Airlines unit, said the airline's proposal would put the largest burden for wage cuts on the pilots. According to ALPA's calculations, she said, Alaska is asking that its pilots absorb about 63 percent of the $112 million in expense cuts Alaska is seeking from labor.


Alaska pilots make from $48,000 to $181,000 a year for flying an average of 80 hours a month. But pilots point out they typically spend as much as three times that amount of time working for the company in preflight briefings and other post- and preflight work, not including time spent away from home in remote cities.


The Association of Flight Attendants already has told Alaska it won't open up a new round of negotiations aimed at cutting costs. The flight attendants will instead address Alaska's requests in regular negotiations due to begin soon.


Hansen said the study recommended new talks because pilots will have better leverage now than in regular negotiations which could end with an impasse. Failure to agree on terms of a new contract under the regular timetable could lead to arbitration where a third-party could force pilots could accept less favorable terms.


Alaska has promised that if workers agree to wage cuts, it will allow them to participate in a bonus plan with extra financial rewards doled out for reaching certain work targets.


The ALPA study further concluded that while Alaska's cash reserves are healthier than those of many of its competitors, the airline is under considerable pressure to return to profitability next year. This year will the fourth year in a row Alaska has lost money. The company lost $118 million last year.


Airlines collectively have lost billions since the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks.


The pilots association said it doesn't expect the industry as a whole to remove the red ink from its bottom line before 2005.


The ALPA report further says Alaska's plan to expand the airline aggressively is dependent on the airline's success in cutting expenses.


Alaska Chairman Bill Ayer has told employees if Alaska is able to shave its costs across the board, it will increase its 109-aircraft fleet to 150 to 175 aircraft and serve several more major cities.


Alaska is one of only two major airlines that hasn't laid off pilots or shrunk its schedule since Sept. 11, 2001."
 
We have reached a TA with regards to the LAX coterminal. No vote yet, but this will give the company some incentive to grow the LA base (737 only now). We just got all the gates, office space and the boardroom lounge in the terminal too.

I have also been noticing there are lots of signs in jetways advertising where to apply for jobs at Alaska. Foreshadowing?

Management has posted (internally, no pun intended) flight attendant openings too!

As far as pilot talks, who knows. I think it would be to our benefit to talk now. We would get more in return for any concessions, etc. that we give. We certainly will not give 23% though! We can always walk away if management doesn't want to negotiate in good faith.

Things are going well and the third quarter was very good to us. Extremely high load factors!

I would not expect any hiring until this last bids training events are complete. That will be late winter/early spring.

take care,
Mach
 
Sounds good.

What exactly is involved in the co-terminal in LAX? I guess I don't understand where the TA for that comes into play. Otherwise, sounds like great news. From an Alaska hopeful, please don't give up the B-fund!! :)
 
I think you mean don't give up the A fund !
 
(Slapping head)...I'm so stupid, so stupid. Thanks Rhino, that is indeed what I meant.

Reminds me of a line from the movie Mr. Mom... "You going to wire it 220?" "220, 221, whatever it takes."
 
Re: Sounds good.

Ted Striker said:
What exactly is involved in the co-terminal in LAX? I guess I don't understand where the TA for that comes into play. Otherwise, sounds like great news. From an Alaska hopeful, please don't give up the B-fund!! :)

The TA comes into play because we had a coterminal agreement with the company when the MD base went from LGB to LAX. The 737 was only in LAX. Times have changed and so has the traffic too. We just wanted some protection.

I have not seen the details, but the union said there is now a commuter policy, elimination of the 20 minute rule (if you traded trips with open time, you used to have to increase your line value by atleast 20 minutes), and some pay issues for reserves. As more details come in, I will certainly forward them.

Mach none
 
? about concessions...

Which concessions are the pilots considering as viable options? I know a 20+% pay cut is insane, but what other issues are being considered and what is the overall pilot groups thoughts on them? Thanks.
 
resident west coast?

Is a west coast residency a must have as part of the "getting hired" deal at Alaska?
 
It seems like most of the pilots that I have run across, are saying "see ya in 2005"
 
We have agreed to talk.




Alaska Airlines pilot offer to
enter into contract negotiations
Posted September 30, 2003
THE FOLLOWING PRESS RELEASE WAS DISTRIBUTED TODAY BY THE AIR LINE PILOTS ASSOCIATION:

Alaska Airlines pilots, represented by the Air Line Pilots Association, International (ALPA), have offered to enter into negotiations with Alaska Airlines management in advance of a previously determined contract negotiations time line.

"Opening up negotiations now could offer our pilot group an opportunity to find a meaningful way to help Alaska Airlines while also protecting and preserving our pay and working conditions," said Gary Hansen, chairman of the Alaska Airlines pilots' Master Executive Council (MEC), a unit of ALPA. "We believe this is the best solution for both our pilots and for Alaska Airlines."

Under the terms of their contract, Alaska pilots would have been required to begin negotiations for their next contract in March 2004. If an agreement was reached, it would have been subject to membership ratification with an effective date of May 2005. However, if no agreement was reached, the two parties would have been required to participate in binding interest arbitration, with an arbitration board ruling on contractual issues such as wages.

In July, Alaska Airlines management proposed pay and work rule concessions to the pilot group. At that time, ALPA's Economic and Financial Analysis (E&FA) team completed an in-depth review of Alaska's plan and financial outlook. The E&FA team found that although Alaska's cost-reduction strategies were overly ambitious, the Alaska pilot group's participation in negotiations to an appropriate extent could be positive and was recommended. Based on feedback and on results of pilot polling, the MEC agreed with E&FA's recommendations. The MEC will now contact Alaska Airlines management to determine the next steps in the negotiating process.

Founded in 1931, ALPA is the world's oldest and largest pilot union, representing 66,000 pilots at 42 airlines in the United States and Canada, including approximately 1,500 Alaska Airlines pilots.
 
target date?

Any rumoredl target date for when talks actually begin? Any goal for having an aggreement? Christmas maybe, or sometime this spring?

Will the pilots want to wait for another quarterly report?
 

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