Alaska/Delta? Probably not

[moochild11]

Word is on the fourth floor here in ATL is that what might have been stated on the second floor is SEA was actually said in the 3rd bathroom stall in the SE section of a Friday's restaurant in Olympia, WA......?





Bye Bye---General Lee

You guys have 4 floors?

 

[General Lee]

How bout all those Alaska people on your wide bodies..what's that cost you?

Like Lumberg stated, DL can feed itself, and we would rather that happen anyway. You guys also received a huge benefit for our feed, and that may be tough to fill from other carriers coming into SEA or PDX. Before DL lacked the extra planes to feed a "hub" like SEA. The addition of 717s out East and new 739ERs coming have allowed extra planes to be available. Some were scheduled to be retired by now, but I guess that could be delayed a bit. Even those extra Compass E175s were bumped out of DTW by incoming 717s. Continuing to add 76 seaters on new routes (to DL) could continue to eat away at your profits and take away feed you "used to have" via DL.



Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[General Lee]

You guys have 4 floors?

Yup. At least that's what they call it here, "the fourth floor..." That is primarily where the big wigs from Flt Ops reside. The top guys in the company have offices elsewhere I guess.


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[Dan Roman]

Hopefully next Summer DL will add mainline service to Ketchikan, Sitka, Gustavus, Cordova, Yakutat, Kodiak(oh watch out, special Qual I'm sure...), Prudoe Bay, Barrow, St. Paul, and Dutch Harbor (SWA proved a 737-700 can stop in 3500 ft, thanks Redflyer!) ... Fannnntastic!



Bye Bye---General Lee

General, elsewhere you thought I was being a little defensive when I made the observation that DAL could hardly take any market share from Hawaiian if they tried. You also have wondered why the AK folks on here are defensive about your posts. With all due respect, it's posts like the above that raise peoples hackels. Quite frankly it comes across like you have the SWA "warrior spirit" thing going in spades. Whether you mean it or not, you sound like you think DAL can and should use it's size to just mow over everyone else. You appear a little too gleeful at the prospect. Simple fact is size creates lot's of opportunities (lot's of feed within your own system), but few people would choose DAL over an Alaska or Hawaiian flight given all things being equal (fare and convenience). Frequent flier miles are probably as big a driver as anything.
My own take is that in this environment our industry is in, everyone is full. There is no longer a battle for market share and survival like in the past. We are all here to stay. I'm guessing your codeshare with AK has morphed into routes that justify 2 airlines. Bunch of pilots talking about who is gonna kicks whose ass is just a little silly.

 

[moochild11]

I think a few pretty new American 777-300er's rolling out of the north alley in Seattle might look pretty good..we control 53% of the traffic in Seattle..me thinks the new largest airline in the world might be a little interested in those folks..also hearing some rumblings about Cathay coming into Seattle..point being it isn't hard to find airlines with wide bodies that want our high yield passenger's

 

[Dan Roman]

I think a few pretty new American 777-300er's rolling out of the north alley in Seattle might look pretty good..we control 53% of the traffic in Seattle..me thinks the new largest airline in the world might be a little interested in those folks..also hearing some rumblings about Cathay coming into Seattle..point being it isn't hard to find airlines with wide bodies that want our high yield passenger's

Actually, I believe AA's new contract allowed for codesharing with AK and HA specifically. Not sure on the details, perhaps an AA person can chime in. Hawaiian carries more than 50% of all traffic (not sure how much more) in and out of HNL.

 

[MesabaDriver]

ATL has four floors? Damn you guys must be amazing!!!

 

[General Lee]

General, elsewhere you thought I was being a little defensive when I made the observation that DAL could hardly take any market share from Hawaiian if they tried. You also have wondered why the AK folks on here are defensive about your posts. With all due respect, it's posts like the above that raise peoples hackels. Quite frankly it comes across like you have the SWA "warrior spirit" thing going in spades. Whether you mean it or not, you sound like you think DAL can and should use it's size to just mow over everyone else. You appear a little too gleeful at the prospect. Simple fact is size creates lot's of opportunities (lot's of feed within your own system), but few people would choose DAL over an Alaska or Hawaiian flight given all things being equal (fare and convenience). Frequent flier miles are probably as big a driver as anything.
My own take is that in this environment our industry is in, everyone is full. There is no longer a battle for market share and survival like in the past. We are all here to stay. I'm guessing your codeshare with AK has morphed into routes that justify 2 airlines. Bunch of pilots talking about who is gonna kicks whose ass is just a little silly.

And Dan, if you thought my post about expanding mainline to places like St Paul Island was sincere, then you haven't caught on to my "rapist wit" as Jim Carey stated in "Dumb and Dumber." Come on Dan, re-read the post and try to look at it in a humorous way. And, I still think you are acting a bit defensive, no offense... If someone wants to come in and purchase your airline, it very well could happen. That's life and a small market cap.



Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[General Lee]

ATL has four floors? Damn you guys must be amazing!!!

And you guys have Hillary Clinton on the tail and an RNP App in JNU.... And that's about it......



Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[moochild11]

Pretty high profit margin and stock price for our little one trick pony..must be a good trick!

 

[moochild11]

Oh I know that was before the oracle of Atlanta focused its eye on us..I beat you to the punch general!

 

[MesabaDriver]

And you guys have Hillary Clinton on the tail and an RNP App in JNU.... And that's about it......



Bye Bye---General Lee

Yeah but we don't have four floors so Hillary and RNP are beneath ya... But that JD Powers Award that RA dreams about every year is in our trophy case. Must really bother you to think that DL is the best around but every year DL comes up short. Must be how your parents felt when you played JV sports all through life. Just never good enough. Oh well there's always the internet. Cya in JNU this summer!!!

 

[Hpilot]

Actually, I believe AA's new contract allowed for codesharing with AK and HA specifically. Not sure on the details, perhaps an AA person can chime in. Hawaiian carries more than 50% of all traffic (not sure how much more) in and out of HNL.

We have unlimited code share with Alaska. Can't remember the limitations on Hawaiian off the top of my head.

 

[Hpilot]

I think a few pretty new American 777-300er's rolling out of the north alley in Seattle might look pretty good..we control 53% of the traffic in Seattle..me thinks the new largest airline in the world might be a little interested in those folks..also hearing some rumblings about Cathay coming into Seattle..point being it isn't hard to find airlines with wide bodies that want our high yield passenger's

American used to have a SEA base. I wish they/we still did.

 

[General Lee]

Yeah but we don't have four floors so Hillary and RNP are beneath ya... But that JD Powers Award that RA dreams about every year is in our trophy case. Must really bother you to think that DL is the best around but every year DL comes up short. Must be how your parents felt when you played JV sports all through life. Just never good enough. Oh well there's always the internet. Cya in JNU this summer!!!

Nah, you won't. I do mostly Europe in the Summer. I won't see you there, I'm pretty sure. I wonder if you'll see much of Alaska yourself, since Horizon will be taking over most of the intra Alaska flights. Speaking of JV, looks like they are overtaking varsity for you guys. How's your scope doing? Never mind..... You'll probably get a lot of EWR and IAH layovers this Summer. Enjoy those, junior!

And that JD Powers stuff is great, I'm pretty sure DL just got second behind Hawaiian for most on time arrivals, you guys might have been 5th or sixth maybe? Looks like you might need more RNP apps at every one of your stations.... It will be fun to watch how you guys react to some competition finally at your monopoly in AK. Question is , which planes will your bosses assign to compete? Dashes or 737s?



Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[Old School 737]

Who the f care about the jd power s....t .. Other than the big wigs .. I'm sure that delta will still be here in 10 years and Alaska as well .. I think QX will be flying most of Alaska and we'll be doing east/ west flying more and more .. Delta not so much up north after they figure it's not worth it ..

 

[moochild11]

Hey general..our scope sucks..will that clear up all your future questions about it? Maybe you could just print this reply out and laminate it and slide it into your pocket protector for future reference..meanwhile on my next salt lake trip I'll remember the bullet proof delta scope when I'm
Behind 15 Skywest rj's for 34R..

 

[Mookie]

You guys are only feeding his narccicism.

Mookie

 

[General Lee]

Hey general..our scope sucks..will that clear up all your future questions about it? Maybe you could just print this reply out and laminate it and slide it into your pocket protector for future reference..meanwhile on my next salt lake trip I'll remember the bullet proof delta scope when I'm
Behind 15 Skywest rj's for 34R..

Did you hear 215 50 seaters are being parked by 2015, with a net reduction of 140 total RJs? That's in a 3 year contract, and gaining 88 717s to cover for them. I'd say that was pretty good.

Also, some of your SLC flights will be on Horizon Dash-8-400s (2 to BOI and 2 to LAS). Will you be DH'ding on any of those? And, some of those SLC routes are questionable. Was someone just throwing darts on a map? You will have no feed opportunities there, and your people picked a few flights to places like SAN and SJC..... Hmmmm. I can see SEA and PDX, and maybe SFO.... But the others.....?


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[General Lee]

You guys are only feeding his narccicism.

Mookie

It appears Mookie you and moony can't debate the truth.


Bye Bye---General Lee