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Steve K. called....he wants his pool cleaned by tomorrow afternoon.
Tell me I'm wrong. If you think so, you haven't studied your history. I don't like it at all, but its true. Pilots have been fighting managment since the beginning. Its no different now. Just look at what Lorenzo did. This isn't anything new, and shouldn't be taken personally. Notice I asked when do we strike? Ill vote for a strike vote, and Ill walk in a heartbeat. Because in all honesty, thats what I think its gonna take. Our new wonderful ALPA should have already done a strike vote. Picketing ain't gonna do chit. Get a good solid 85%+ strike vote like the Alaska guys got and we might have some pull. Until then nothing is gonna happen, and why would it. AAI managment is gonna drag this out as long as they can. Its nothing personal, its just business. There is always going to be push/pull between managment and pilots, if you take it personally, then you probably shouldn't be in the airlines! Thats one of the reason Kolski hated Best. MB wouldn't let Kolskis tantrums get to him. Kolski uses those as a negotiating tool. Thats what pilots don't realize, and managment does. Trust me, its not personal to Kolski, its business! Like it or not!
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njcapt
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Heh, heh. That's a good one, Wes.
"Yeah, get your a$$ over here. The lawn guys blew all the clippings into the pool."
I agree but add....
Good post/ points,
I am certainly no expert,
I would add that the picketing also serves as a message to the pilot group. [that] Their peers are serious and may go to the next level. Part of a strike vote will hinge on the individuals preparation for the event. With that being said, picketing is the warning order for further pilot action and a call for the individuals to get their "house in order" for such an event.
There shouldn't be any emotion attached; just cost benefit analysis.
Good post/ points,
I am certainly no expert,
I would add that the picketing also serves as a message to the pilot group. [that] Their peers are serious and may go to the next level. Part of a strike vote will hinge on the individuals preparation for the event. With that being said, picketing is the warning order for further pilot action and a call for the individuals to get their "house in order" for such an event.
There shouldn't be any emotion attached; just cost benefit analysis.
jetflier
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A retired UAL pilot's letter:
**Well , The good news is, Today I officially Retire from
> United Airlines and I was hired last week for a Service
> Advisor job in the automotive division of Sears (which is the
> first real job I had while going to college and loved it and
> it's what I want to do in my old age)--pay is good and it
> includes full medical,dental, 401k & profit sharing---should
> be more than enough even without the retirement money---may
> still consider the same line of work at a regular dealership
> at some point, covering my six for now---- I'll be home every
> night---no more check rides--no FEDS or commuters on my jump
> seat taking up my office space---no more 25% PENALTY for being
> legitimately sick---no more scum bag hotels---no more old
> b*#$hy flight attendants-- -no more 14 hour duty days with 10
> hour layovers---no more drafting my butt downline to fly the
> remains of somebody else's trip because they can't staff the
> airline correctly--- no more zero/zero approaches into
> blinding thunderstorms or blizzards--no more strip searches at
> the security checkpoints by high school drop-outs ( my I.D.
> means nothing )--no more subway sandwiches at the airport
> served by Somalis that can never get my order right. Can't sit
> down and have a hot meal between legs at a nice restaurant
> cause there's not enough time---no more missed recitals,
> birthdays or holidays---no more 3:30 am (body clock) wakeup
> calls on the east coast--no more number 20 for take off behind
> 18 little regional jets at LaGuardia--- no more company bus
> rides from the employee lot in machines, where either the rear
> door doesn't work or the A.C. or heat is out of order---no
> more "fear and intimidation style management" to live under(
> the head honcho of the Sears store actually gave me the second
> and final interview (not normal) " he actually wanted to meet
> me" and said I should consider a position in management with
> my credentials and philosophies about how I believe people
> should be treated and that he was really happy to see someone
> like me consider a position with his company ..he told me I
> would be an asset to any organization, unlike my current
> employer, that has always "behind the scenes" regarded me and
> my peers as liabilities and prima donnas..go figure ! I'm not
> unique.
>
> Most Pilots at this point still fit the same mold.
> Unfortunately that mold is slowly and methodically being
> reshaped by corporate robber barons into something they can
> shackle to a Yoke and, who they hope, will never question the
> methods to their madness.
>
> The more I re-read this e-mail, the more I wonder why it has
> taken me so long to come to this decision to hang up
> flying---oh yeh, it's cause I couldn't touch my retirement
> money till now, penalty free....I'm finally ready for the
> simpler life with considerably less stress.
>
> It use to be that the Airline rewarded us for all these little
> inconveniences we take for granted and the time we spend away
> from home and family that was part of our daily lives in this
> profession. We made good money, had considerable time off and
> the benefits were to brag about.That is no longer the case. My
> Plumber makes more a year now than I do. His labor rate alone
> is $95.00/hr when he set my kitchen sink last May and he's a
> high school drop out. His yearly salary is based on a 160 hour
> work month (40 a week) --My $93.00/hr and annual salary is
> based on an 80 hour month (hard time in the air) which doesn't
> include all the on duty and time I am away from home.
>
> I suspect the New Airline Pilot of the future will probably be
> one of those kids you remember in high school that got out of
> classes on a 2:30pm work permit to go learn a trade because
> they weren't particularly bright. Of course he'll have to be
> on some kind of Government program to pay for his training.
> There's no way he'll be able to come up with the $100,000.00
> in flight training costs to get his licences, and you'll never
> see another Military Pilot leave the armed forces for an Air
> Carrier position where it will take almost his entire career
> to reach the salary he left behind at his Military job. I
> would not recommend this profession anymore to anyone I really
> cared about. My guess is the Airline industry will have to
> lower their Standards as well as their requirements as the
> airplanes get more automated (the FAA will agree) if they're
> gonna get any applicants. Let the buyer beware when he takes
> his next airplane ride in the future.
>
> I have absolutely no regrets about getting out while the
> getting is good. I use to love my job and the adventure that
> every trip brought. It's just no fun going to work anymore.
> It's all about quality of life ---unfortunately, you don't
> figure that out till you're on the back side of the clock in
> most careers and in the Big Scheme of things, approaching your
> own ultimate demise. Life is really too short to devote one
> extra minute of your time to a company as well as a profession
> that is not everything you had hoped for, I'm baffled trying
> to think of another industry that has so brutally passed on
> the increased costs of doing business to their employees
> rather than their customers. Even my garbage man is charging a
> surcharge for fuel to me rather than rape his employees.
>
> I'm out - a - here.......CS
>
> ps: I will forward a short movie to some of you of my United
> Uniform going up in smoke so no terrorist can ever use it. My
> Eastern Airlines uniform and my Navy uniform still hang
> proudly in my closet.....***
**Well , The good news is, Today I officially Retire from
> United Airlines and I was hired last week for a Service
> Advisor job in the automotive division of Sears (which is the
> first real job I had while going to college and loved it and
> it's what I want to do in my old age)--pay is good and it
> includes full medical,dental, 401k & profit sharing---should
> be more than enough even without the retirement money---may
> still consider the same line of work at a regular dealership
> at some point, covering my six for now---- I'll be home every
> night---no more check rides--no FEDS or commuters on my jump
> seat taking up my office space---no more 25% PENALTY for being
> legitimately sick---no more scum bag hotels---no more old
> b*#$hy flight attendants-- -no more 14 hour duty days with 10
> hour layovers---no more drafting my butt downline to fly the
> remains of somebody else's trip because they can't staff the
> airline correctly--- no more zero/zero approaches into
> blinding thunderstorms or blizzards--no more strip searches at
> the security checkpoints by high school drop-outs ( my I.D.
> means nothing )--no more subway sandwiches at the airport
> served by Somalis that can never get my order right. Can't sit
> down and have a hot meal between legs at a nice restaurant
> cause there's not enough time---no more missed recitals,
> birthdays or holidays---no more 3:30 am (body clock) wakeup
> calls on the east coast--no more number 20 for take off behind
> 18 little regional jets at LaGuardia--- no more company bus
> rides from the employee lot in machines, where either the rear
> door doesn't work or the A.C. or heat is out of order---no
> more "fear and intimidation style management" to live under(
> the head honcho of the Sears store actually gave me the second
> and final interview (not normal) " he actually wanted to meet
> me" and said I should consider a position in management with
> my credentials and philosophies about how I believe people
> should be treated and that he was really happy to see someone
> like me consider a position with his company ..he told me I
> would be an asset to any organization, unlike my current
> employer, that has always "behind the scenes" regarded me and
> my peers as liabilities and prima donnas..go figure ! I'm not
> unique.
>
> Most Pilots at this point still fit the same mold.
> Unfortunately that mold is slowly and methodically being
> reshaped by corporate robber barons into something they can
> shackle to a Yoke and, who they hope, will never question the
> methods to their madness.
>
> The more I re-read this e-mail, the more I wonder why it has
> taken me so long to come to this decision to hang up
> flying---oh yeh, it's cause I couldn't touch my retirement
> money till now, penalty free....I'm finally ready for the
> simpler life with considerably less stress.
>
> It use to be that the Airline rewarded us for all these little
> inconveniences we take for granted and the time we spend away
> from home and family that was part of our daily lives in this
> profession. We made good money, had considerable time off and
> the benefits were to brag about.That is no longer the case. My
> Plumber makes more a year now than I do. His labor rate alone
> is $95.00/hr when he set my kitchen sink last May and he's a
> high school drop out. His yearly salary is based on a 160 hour
> work month (40 a week) --My $93.00/hr and annual salary is
> based on an 80 hour month (hard time in the air) which doesn't
> include all the on duty and time I am away from home.
>
> I suspect the New Airline Pilot of the future will probably be
> one of those kids you remember in high school that got out of
> classes on a 2:30pm work permit to go learn a trade because
> they weren't particularly bright. Of course he'll have to be
> on some kind of Government program to pay for his training.
> There's no way he'll be able to come up with the $100,000.00
> in flight training costs to get his licences, and you'll never
> see another Military Pilot leave the armed forces for an Air
> Carrier position where it will take almost his entire career
> to reach the salary he left behind at his Military job. I
> would not recommend this profession anymore to anyone I really
> cared about. My guess is the Airline industry will have to
> lower their Standards as well as their requirements as the
> airplanes get more automated (the FAA will agree) if they're
> gonna get any applicants. Let the buyer beware when he takes
> his next airplane ride in the future.
>
> I have absolutely no regrets about getting out while the
> getting is good. I use to love my job and the adventure that
> every trip brought. It's just no fun going to work anymore.
> It's all about quality of life ---unfortunately, you don't
> figure that out till you're on the back side of the clock in
> most careers and in the Big Scheme of things, approaching your
> own ultimate demise. Life is really too short to devote one
> extra minute of your time to a company as well as a profession
> that is not everything you had hoped for, I'm baffled trying
> to think of another industry that has so brutally passed on
> the increased costs of doing business to their employees
> rather than their customers. Even my garbage man is charging a
> surcharge for fuel to me rather than rape his employees.
>
> I'm out - a - here.......CS
>
> ps: I will forward a short movie to some of you of my United
> Uniform going up in smoke so no terrorist can ever use it. My
> Eastern Airlines uniform and my Navy uniform still hang
> proudly in my closet.....***
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