Airtran Pilots what are your thoughts

[71driver]

Negotiations will be starting soon and I am sure we will here, at some point, about the companies budget for our contract.

Did you all realize of the 10 largest airlines we finished last in net income for the 3rd quarter 2007 with a dismal 1.7% net income?!!
Are you aware we get $15.00 dollars less per average fare than Southwest Airlines, and lets face it we have a superior product; assigned seating,business class, and free XM radio. If we were to get the same average fare as Southwest Airlines we would add 270,000,000 millions dollars to our annual profits!!
As we all know you do not here Airtran mangement talking about the revenue side of the equation...there is a reason for that, we are weak on revenue. Sure we are making money and that is a good thing but we are not as profitable as Wall Street thinks we should be, note our stock price.

So my question is should we have to ask for less in our new contract, or have a cost neutral contract for managements lack of performance??

Just wanting to here some constructive thoughts.

 

[Kharma Police]

Is that you Klaus?

 

[Pimpin']

Negotiations will be starting soon and I am sure we will here, at some point, about the companies budget for our contract.

Did you all realize of the 10 largest airlines we finished last in net income for the 3rd quarter 2007 with a dismal 1.7% net income?!!
Are you aware we get $15.00 dollars less per average fare than Southwest Airlines, and lets face it we have a superior product; assigned seating,business class, and free XM radio. If we were to get the same average fare as Southwest Airlines we would add 270,000,000 millions dollars to our annual profits!!
As we all know you do not here Airtran mangement talking about the revenue side of the equation...there is a reason for that, we are weak on revenue. Sure we are making money and that is a good thing but we are not as profitable as Wall Street thinks we should be, note our stock price.

So my question is should we have to ask for less in our new contract, or have a cost neutral contract for managements lack of performance??

Just wanting to here some constructive thoughts.

In a word, NO!

 

[fmr727drvr]

If we are getting $15.00 less per average fare and as you say have a superior product, then why aren't we charging more?

ABSOLUTELY NO CONCESSIONS SHOULD BE EXPECTED FROM THIS PILOT GROUP.

 

[say again]

Negotiations will be starting soon and I am sure we will here, at some point, about the companies budget for our contract.

Did you all realize of the 10 largest airlines we finished last in net income for the 3rd quarter 2007 with a dismal 1.7% net income?!!
Are you aware we get $15.00 dollars less per average fare than Southwest Airlines, and lets face it we have a superior product; assigned seating,business class, and free XM radio. If we were to get the same average fare as Southwest Airlines we would add 270,000,000 millions dollars to our annual profits!!
As we all know you do not here Airtran mangement talking about the revenue side of the equation...there is a reason for that, we are weak on revenue. Sure we are making money and that is a good thing but we are not as profitable as Wall Street thinks we should be, note our stock price.

So my question is should we have to ask for less in our new contract, or have a cost neutral contract for managements lack of performance??

Just wanting to here some constructive thoughts.

NEVER ASK FOR LESS, ASK FOR MORE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[B727Driver]

does Klaus have that much flight time?

 

[DonVerita]

It doesn't matter what management says their, "budget" is for our new contract. Whatever figure they give, it will be a lowball lie.

We will get what we are willing to stand up for...simple as that.

If management is worrying about where the money is going to come from, they can start with their bonuses!

 

[j41driver]

So my question is should we have to ask for less in our new contract, or have a cost neutral contract

YGTBSM

 

[tubelcane]

Are you smokin crack?

 

[ATLplt]

So my question is should we have to ask for less in our new contract, or have a cost neutral contract for managements lack of performance??

"With all due respect...that idea ain't worth a velvet painting of a whale and a dolphin gettin' it on."

 

[71driver]

sorry gents I reread what I wrote and can see that it could be taken that way...maybe this will help

I meant to imply that we should NOT have to ask for less. what I was trying to relay is that our mngmt is substandard in revenue but we as Pilots should not have to pay for their poor performance period.

 

[PCL_128]

In that case, you are 100% correct. My pay doesn't subsidize the cost of oil or poor revenue management.

 

[John Pennekamp]

Are you aware we get $15.00 dollars less per average fare than Southwest Airlines, and lets face it we have a superior product; assigned seating,business class, and free XM radio. If we were to get the same average fare as Southwest Airlines we would add 270,000,000 millions dollars to our annual profits!!

YGTBSM. Airtran has a "superior product" to Southwest? Because of "Free XM radio", assigned seating and "business class"?

Airtran pilots wondering why they can't charge Southwest fares is like the fat ugly girl wondering why she didn't get asked to the prom.

 

[PCL_128]

Airtran has a "superior product" to Southwest?

Yep. It's not even close.

 

[400ADude]

Paycut.