AirTran New Mins.

[FL717]

It's hard to respond to most of your post, since it's difficult to read, much less understand, but I can respond to your point above.

I agree. FLB717... you got some good points to share my friend, but you gotta start proofreading your posts. That was pretty bad.

What's disappointing to me is that so few seem to care, or worse, don't have a clue about the implications of the current policy.

Well I for one care, and believe I have a "clue" about the implications of this new policy, but all we can do is voice our concerns and "hope" right decisions are made/altered at the HR level. Being friends with you flx757, I understand your strong feelings on this issue, and hope changes or "waivers" are being considered for some of the applying folks out there.

 

[flx757]

Thank you, my friend.

 

[400A]

Air Tran Mins

I know the feeling well. In 2001 I was trying to get on at Air Tran.
I had 4000 hours, 1000 Jet PIC part 135, Instructor Captain, Check Airman and Chief Pilot. I also had 5 senior Airtran Captains(including the 717 program manager) endorse my resume that was hand carried in by a senior 717 capt. Still no interview.

However H.R. has to find a way to minimise its options. Some do it with degree's, others do it with Total Time and others do it with like flight experience. The market is flooded with VERY qualified pilots.

I run a small 135, 1 jet operation and I am getting 3-5 out of work airline pilots at my door each week. Its just that bad. With this same thought in mind, I, as an employer will pick the veteran charter / corporate guy over the furloughed airline guy. It is not personal. I am responsible for my training dollars and guys that have flown heavy's to long have to adjust. It is no different. We can all (most of us) think at 450kts and we can all fly an ILS, but the person doing the hiring has to have some way to seperate applicants.

Being the person responsible for hiring at my company, my best advice to you is to remain positive. No one owes you anything, it is a priviledge to get an interview anywhere in this time. H.R. people are trained to pick up on negative attitudes.

I would also like to fly for a major, but right now I see alot of guys from the majors that want my job.

 

[FLB717]

Sorry for the tip0s er.. typos...er ahhh crap. It was a long night and typing to fast, but I thank all for thier concern of my grammer afforded me by my Publix (sp?) education.

While I am glad we have pilots that want to see the best get hired I am not saying that what I or anyone else believes is the right or wrong way to hire. I can tell you for a fact that a guy from Piedmont left that company because he thought he had a job at AAI. The reason was all of the Piedmont people we have hired of late. Well he did not get the job and so he wrote a VERY pissy letter telling our HR that they truly suck because they were to stupid to not hire him. That is NOT the attitude of your average Piedmont driver. But it DOES reflect on the group. Luckly it had no effect because of the types that have come before him. If he had been one of the first to interview it may have changed many peoples lives. When a lot of Comair guys never showed for class it was some time before any others got hired. Then another guy from Comair does the same thing again. What group now doesnt get interviewed very often now. Being in a former life from Comair I hate that it has hurt chances of those who want to come to AAI. But I understand HR's rational. MY personal view is I only care that the person who is hired is SAFE and Personable in that order. Oh yeah, and wants this to be his last home.

 

[atpcliff]

Hi!

The minimums at Comair are 1200 and 200 (unless you're in a "Bridge" program). I had an AMEL ATP, and I have a letter from Comair stating that I don't meet the minimum requirements. Now, this doesn't seem to make sense, as to get an ATP you need at least 1500 TT (I also had 550 AME Jet at the time).

The reason this occured, was that I received the letter in 1993, which was the most difficult time to get hired by the airlines. Comair raised their minimums so far that 1500-500 didn't cut it.

AirTran is now doing the same, because they can. There are a large number of VERY qualified pilots, and AirTran wants the best that they can get, so they raised their mins. In 2 or 3 years, the minimums will go back down-it's simple supply and demand.

The people that run AirTran are in control of AirTran, and they make the rules.

Sometimes I get frustrated, as I did when I didn't get a job offer at ACA, due to factors beyond my control. But hey, I don't run ACA, so I don't get to make the rules.

Try. If you fail, try again. If you succeed, also try again. Try. That's all you can do. Don't worry about what the airlines do, just keep trying. You have no control.

Cliff
GRB

PS-I could easily be laid off in a couple of weeks. I think it's stupid for my airline to furlough more people, but I'm not in control, so they might. I'm trying by sending out my apps all over again, and AirTran and ATA are now more out of reach-they used to be close. Too bad for me!

 

[Checks]

Cliff,

Keep your chin up. You seem like a great guy and will bounce back.

 

[Gulfstream 200]

Eh,

I dont think a GIV captain with 5 other type ratings is gonna be bangin' on AIRTRANS door anyways.....

but yes, when times are hard they can pick or choose who they want....

there was a time not so far back that you had to pay 25K (or something) at FSI to "join" AIRTRAN at about 18K/yr pay. What a deal that was.

As long as times dont roll back to %hit like that we will be OK I guess!.....

 

[Ty Webb]

We've got guys with much better qualifications than that here. We've got former Air Force One pilots, Test Pilots, etc. What we don;t have a lot of is misinformed pompous asses such as yourself . . . and hopefully, it will stay that way.


there was a time not so far back that you had to pay 25K (or something) at FSI to "join" AIRTRAN at about 18K/yr pay. What a deal that was.


There was never a time like that here. Maybe you should stick to topics that you have some knowlege of.

 

[Gulfstream 200]

YEAH, Im sure Airtran gets all the cream of the crop buddy...

Air Force One pilots....
Test pilots....
GIV captains making 200K/yr...

all giving it up to get in your B717 huh??

WAKE UP man, you work at Airtran.
PFT critter by another name.....bringin down industry pay in a big way!

 

[Ty Webb]

I don't know what rock you've been living under, but we don't have PFT here. Your comments tell me a lot about you as a person- and I am embarassed for you.

I will tell you this, though, it's @ssholes like you that make it hard for other corporate guys to get on here.