Airtran mediations

[BR715]

Did anyone here what happened today. The phone update and the website have not been updated! WTFO! Probably a good idea to let the membership know the status of the crappy TA.

 

[buyagoat]

value jet not a major airline

 

[Steeler Fan]

......was all set to start typing a whole lot of stuff, but then I'd be like a fish with a big fat hook in my mouth.

 

[fletch717]

value jet not a major airline

Maybe your name should be

stopfukinggoats

 

[BR715]

Just ignore the guy. Obviously he has no intelligence.

 

[twepilot]

so what happened...whats the scoop???

RV

 

[SkiFishFly]

I don't expect the NPA to tell us much.

Anyone know the status of the recall? Is AP looking for more ways to throw out our signed petitions?
He hasn't listened so far - I don't expect him to start now...

 

[Lear70]

BoD meeting coming up. We have the required signatures.

Ballot for recall required within 15 days of BoD meeting.

Anyone else notice the update says mediations scheduled from Monday all the way through Sunday (including the weekend)?

 

[PCL_128]

How do the BOD meetings usually work here? Do line pilots show up, or is it pretty much a closed door session the entire time?

 

[Lear70]

BoD meetings are normally open for most items.

Very few (if any) pilots EVER show up. I think they've had one line guy show up to one meeting of the last 3 or 4.

They don't exactly publicize it, either. If you look on the NPA website you won't see that BoD meeting next week on the calendar, no time, etc.

It's hard to blame the pilot group when you don't communicate and give them the specifics such as time, date, place, the agenda, and what parts are open and what parts are closed.

Kind of like the MEM LEC meetings... no one knows about them unless they call and specifically ask. I don't think I've ever received a BoD meeting minutes or summary since I've been here.

Wish I'd known about it in advance (it's not on the calendar, I just heard about this meeting last week). I'd have gone ahead and pushed for the MemRat resolution if I'd known and been able to get the signatures together.

The bylaws here are different than ALPA. If we can get 15% of the pilots to sign a MemRat petition to be added to the bylaws, it doesn't go to the BoD for vote, it goes directly to the pilots to vote on whether they want that MemRat added to the bylaws. The BoD members have absolutely ZERO say in it if you go about it that way...

The bylaws make interesting reading, compared to ALPA bylaws.

 

[PCL_128]

Wish I'd known about it in advance (it's not on the calendar, I just heard about this meeting last week). I'd have gone ahead and pushed for the MemRat resolution if I'd known and been able to get the signatures together.

The bylaws here are different than ALPA. If we can get 15% of the pilots to sign a MemRat petition to be added to the bylaws, it doesn't go to the BoD for vote, it goes directly to the pilots to vote on whether they want that MemRat added to the bylaws. The BoD members have absolutely ZERO say in it if you go about it that way...

The bylaws make interesting reading, compared to ALPA bylaws.

Very interesting. You planning on being at the meeting next week even though you can't get the memrat resolution ready? I'd like to be there to see AP's face when you walk in. :laugh:

 

[Lear70]

No, not really.

The BoD meeting will, in all likelihood, be very briefly convened in open session to address the recall petition and regular business, then probably closed for most of it to discuss the T.A. specifics.

Even though I'm still bound by the confidentiality agreements and haven't violated any of them, I doubt they'd let me stay for the closed session.

They've already removed more than a few people from committees who aren't "on board" with the current leadership; I seriously doubt they'll let any of those people into closed session.

 

[j41driver]

They've already removed more than a few people from committees who aren't "on board" with the current leadership; I seriously doubt they'll let any of those people into closed session.

Like a bunch of crooks trying to cover their tracks.

 

[scarlet]

Didn't you just vote him in, vote them out and it will be another 2-3 years till you get a contract !!

 

[PCL_128]

Didn't you just vote him in, vote them out and it will be another 2-3 years till you get a contract !!

On the ASA threads, you advocate voting out your own union reps, but then you tell the AAI pilots that we'll be making a mistake and delaying a contract if we do the same?

You don't have a clue what you're talking about, but at least be consistent.

 

[j41driver]

He's right in that we will be most likely delaying a contract but the alternative at this point, as most of us realize, would be much worse.

 

[PCL_128]

He's right in that we will be most likely delaying a contract

I'm not so sure. If the TA is voted down, I expect the mediator to "park" us for the next 9-12 months whether we keep the current leadership or not. If new leadership is voted in, then that time will give them the ability to prepare. I don't foresee any sort of additional delay in a new TA simply because of a recall.

 

[j41driver]

I'm not so sure. If the TA is voted down, I expect the mediator to "park" us for the next 9-12 months whether we keep the current leadership or not. If new leadership is voted in, then that time will give them the ability to prepare. I don't foresee any sort of additional delay in a new TA simply because of a recall.

Probably...your guess is as good as mine. Delay or not, these guys have got to go.

 

[Clyde Frog]

That should give the pilots 9-12 months to build some unity under new leadership and get a strike fund going.

 

[Lear70]

I'm not so sure. If the TA is voted down, I expect the mediator to "park" us for the next 9-12 months whether we keep the current leadership or not.

It'll be closer to 5-6 but yeah, he will.

If new leadership is voted in, then that time will give them the ability to prepare. I don't foresee any sort of additional delay in a new TA simply because of a recall.

Exactly correct.

That should give the pilots 9-12 months to build some unity under new leadership and get a strike fund going.

Kinda sorta...

Strike fund, not so much. You need a much larger war chest for that, ours isn't nearly deep enough nor could it be saving only for 6 months.

Pilot unity? Absolutely. I have several ideas I've shared with the guys who will likely be running; hopefully a few will get implemented.

Building unity in a non-hierarchal group is a delicate task. Not completely dissimilar to military leadership, but with several key differences that are obviously not being implemented with the current NPA leaders.

It's a daunting task, but very doable, given the level of anger over the T.A. I hope that whoever ends up with the reins realizes that potential to the fullest.

 

[Just thinking]

Based upon what was posted on the NPA website after the July 10-13 session I thought we would have had a TA to vote on with the next week or so. Now I see more negotiations oin Orland with additional ones scheduled for later August. My concern is the shine that is being put on to polish this turd. I wish they would have put forth this much effort when they were negotiating to begin with. BOD meeting date posted on website. Plan on attending if able. Record profits, good growth, lower non fuel costs by 6 per cent. Consessionary was the best we could expect? We must stop this backward slide before they destroy all of the efforts that have been fought for. No way AP would have been elected had he proposed this TA as part of his campaign pledge to his brother line pilots. Looking forward to making this ailrline a better place without destroying the company or destroying the pilot group. Right now the pilot group is sitting on a three legged stool precariously balanced on one leg. The other two legs are the company and the BOD.

 

[Lear70]

Where do you see that? It's not on the August Calendar page.

You're exactly right, though. I'm actually embarrassed that I voted for him over Dave Peck.

 

[PCL_128]

Where do you see that? It's not on the August Calendar page.

It's showing up when I go to the "calendar of events" link on the NPA site. I don't think it was listed in the last email, though.

You're exactly right, though. I'm actually embarrassed that I voted for him over Dave Peck.

Dave's a great guy, and he'd probably be a great President in between contracts, but I'm not sure that he's the guy you want during negotiations time.

 

[Lear70]

That was the problem. There were no candidates that would make a good option.

I was asking that on this forum during the election, seeing if there was ANYONE who would make a good write-in candidate.

No one stepped up.

 

[newnan]

It's showing up when I go to the "calendar of events" link on the NPA site. I don't think it was listed in the last email, though.



I just looked at the calendar and don't even see this weeks negotiations on it. I'd like to find out the date for the BOD meeting next week so I could go if I'm off.

 

[PCL_128]

I just looked at the calendar and don't even see this weeks negotiations on it. I'd like to find out the date for the BOD meeting next week so I could go if I'm off.

Actually, you're right. I was looking at the wrong month. It's not there on August's calendar. Why am I not surprised?

 

[Just thinking]

My apologies to the forum, I was looking at the wrong month... nothing posted for BOD meeting for August. No additional mediations. Mea Culpa

 

[Lear70]

That's OK... I've been meaning to call one or two of the BoD members anyway, will try to find out date and time and post it here.

I'm off most of next week, might try to attend.

 

[j41driver]

My apologies to the forum, I was looking at the wrong month... nothing posted for BOD meeting for August. No additional mediations. Mea Culpa

The e-Weekly for Jul 30 said additional mediations July 31 - August 5 in Orlando. No mention anywhere about the BoD meeting. What date is it??

 

[Lear70]

BoD meeting at 0900 on Thursday the 9th (1 week from today), subject to change...