AirTran in Airways magazine

[wood pecker]

Great article about AirTran explaining benefits of new 737 and the fuel savings. No winglets b/c cost did not add up to a great benefit, 737-800 options = @38 more pax. If the -800 is good the other 50 737 options can be changed. brief expalination on Ryan Airbus and Air Wisconsin 10 rjs.

The article stated 1 year FO pay @ $38,000 and <3years = CPt = base $77,000.

I sucked at book reports in school so if my summary is not accurate I apologize. This all that I remember after shopping the remainder of the day w/ the wife for baby clothes.

I would post a link but I can not even get a picture to resize for an avatar so I am stuck w/ a wood pecker. The magazine is @ $6.00 or 2 shares of Delta stock.

 

[Ty Webb]

The average line in the [slow] month of September is still over 80 hours credit. August was 87. July was 85 hours. I'm about as lazy as they come, and I still can't help but get over 1000 hrs credit/yr.

A second year Captain would be making more like $120K, unless you only bid CDO lines and hid under a rock the rest of the time.


Don't tell Joe!

 

[flx757]

unless you only bid CDO lines and hid under a rock the rest of the time.

That's what I did when I was there, and would STILL be doing if I were still there. And what I planned to do until I retired, if they didn't do away with the CDOs in future contracts. To me, that was the ONLY way to live... Fly about 30 block hours a month, get paid for 70, be home everyday, and have roughly 18-20 days off a month (I counted that last day where I got back to ATL by 0830 as a day off, since for all practical purposes it was). Yep...couldn't beat that in my book.

Hope your upgrade comes soon, bud.

 

[FLB717]

Hey Flx, hows life on the left coast treating you?

 

[Mooseflyer]

What's CDO?

 

[Palerider957]

Continuous Duty Overnight.....

 

[flx757]

Hey Flx, hows life on the left coast treating you?

Couldn't be better, my friend. In fact, I was just talking about how good life is right now to another friend of mine. Now, if I could only find a way to not have to go to work.....

Hope things continue to go well there.

 

[Daddy]

More cowbell...that skit was funny as he11

 

[Ty Webb]

That's what I did when I was there, and would STILL be doing if I were still there.

Fly about 30 block hours a month, get paid for 70, be home everyday, and have roughly 18-20 days off a month
Hope your upgrade comes soon, bud.

I would bid 'em too, if I lived in ATL. Hell, for $112./hr, I guess I could get by on em until I could hold a decent line. I worked nights (EMS) in Tampa for three years, so I think I could handle a few months of plying the night skies.

 

[-9Capt]

CDO's, high speeds, stand ups', whatever you call them, they suck! they're dangerous and need to be outlawed! If I wanted to be up all night I would have applied to UPS or FedEx.

I haven't flown a CDO in years (thank God) but they need to go.

 

[flx757]

CDO's, high speeds, stand ups', whatever you call them, they suck! they're dangerous and need to be outlawed! If I wanted to be up all night I would have applied to UPS or FedEx.

I haven't flown a CDO in years (thank God) but they need to go.

Then don't bid 'em. If you "haven't flown a CDO in years", then you probably have no idea what kind I was flying there. 7:50 on the ground. At least 5 hours sleep. 1 leg/45 mins on each end. 3 nights a week. 28 hours block time a month....Hardly what I would call "unsafe" or "up all night". Yeah...outlaw a great schedule like that. Typical of the way things are going over there these days. I read the union website.

 

[ATR-DRIVR]

I am not a big fan of CDO's personally but alot of guys like them. On the ATR they go REAL senior during the summer. I am a line holder but when they pull their integration shiite, I get stuck with them sometimes. This month it was GNV. It normally only has a gnd time of just over 6 hrs and with a 20 minute van ride to the hotel it can be ugly, 3 maybe 4 hrs actual sleep. Throw in a mx delay, (like this month!) and it can go downhill in a hurry.

flx, how many days off after the 3 naps do you guys get?

 

[flx757]

flx, how many days off after the 3 naps do you guys get?

I'm no longer there, but the contract calls for a maximum of 3 CDOs in a row with a minimum of 3 days off after any CDO or group of CDOs.

When I was flying them, I would bid to do them on Thur, Fri and Sat nights, then be off from the time I got home on Sun morning around 9am until I showed again on Thursday nite around 2030. They couldn't tack on a turn or anything like that after we got back. To me, it was the best deal going.

Didn't mean to be quite the jerk I was on the previous post, but sometimes it rubs me a little wrong when people try to prevent others from doing something just because they don't like it. I learned to live on the 70 hour guarantee. I don't live paycheck to paycheck and need a 97 hour month every month to get by. So, I prefered to do the stand-ups, fly as little as possible, and be home every day. But, I wouldn't presume to "outlaw" 97 hour lines, flying 5-6 legs a day with multiple exposures to the ATL delay machine, just because I didn't like doing them.

 

[Les Paul]

The average line in the [slow] month of September is still over 80 hours credit. August was 87. July was 85 hours. I'm about as lazy as they come, and I still can't help but get over 1000 hrs credit/yr.

A second year Captain would be making more like $120K, unless you only bid CDO lines and hid under a rock the rest of the time.


Don't tell Joe!

I guess you failed math. Please explain to this forum how a "2nd year" Captain at that "Airline" of yours can make $120,000 a year flying 1000 hours. And please show your work.

I'm willing to bet your numbers won't add.

Les Paul

 

[wood pecker]

Is there problem over there on your side of C concourse, too? I have only heard positives other than the usual scheduling sux. Any thing negative once some seniority is accrued?

 

[DougCorp-9]

I guess you failed math. Please explain to this forum how a "2nd year" Captain at that "Airline" of yours can make $120,000 a year flying 1000 hours. And please show your work.

I'm willing to bet your numbers won't add.

Les Paul

If you read the post, he actually said OVER 1000 hour a year. That is credit time. However, captain bids are currently going to about 2 years and 10 month for the 737-700 so you probably would not make 120,000 your second year butcould very easily you third year.

 

[Les Paul]

If you read the post, he actually said OVER 1000 hour a year. That is credit time. However, captain bids are currently going to about 2 years and 10 month for the 737-700 so you probably would not make 120,000 your second year butcould very easily you third year.

You obviously can't read OR count either.

I'll do the higher education calculations for you:

2nd year Capt = $102
** According to airline pilot pay website.

Average line credit for 3rd quarter = 84 hours
** According to "Ty Webb" - 85 July/87 Aug/ 80 September

84hrs x 12mos = 1008 hours x $102hr = $102,816 Annual

That is a FAR, FAR cry from $120,000.

You would have to fly almost 100 hours of credit for 12 mos COMPLETE straight uninterrupted to get to the number he so proudly proclaims...

I'm sorry... but that is just nothing to brag about.

What is more realistic about pay is guarantee.
102 x 70 hrs X 12 = $85,680.
** According to airline pay website.

Les Paul

 

[ATR-DRIVR]

Dont' bother about:
Per Diem.
Credit for recurrent flight and ground training.
O.T.
Duty rig.
Trip rig.

You know, OTHER things.

 

[Les Paul]

PER DIEM AS COMPENSATION!!! Are you seriously counting your per diem?? Tell me you're kidding??!!

Oh yeah, when I interviewed at Major X the first thing I asked is "HEY forget the hourly rate.... whats the per diem?"

I don't believe Airtran has overtime.

And finally genius... credit includes Rigs! Otherwise we would be talking about block... as in your head.

Just pathetic...

Les Paul

 

[Stifler's Mom]

What's CDO?

Here's an example of an ASA ATR Nap or CDO.


Day Flt Depart Arrive Time in Hotel
FR 4135 ATL-VPS 2203 2222 0748
SA 4302 VPS-ATL 0610 0834






You are continuously on duty, this whole time, so the rest rules are negated. Basically, you fly somewhere, sleep for a few hours, fly home, then have all day off until returning that evening to do it all over again. Like others have said, it's nice to fly 30 hours, get a full paycheck, and have all day off to do whatever the heck you want. Chores, workout, play on FlightInfo.... you name it.