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ttracey60

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I am an old geezer, retired high school teacher, and pilot, since age 13. I agree 100% with flywithastick.

I grew up in Roswell, New Mexico in the 50's. The world was simpler then.

The government pretty much minded its own business. Kids were kids. Parents were definitely parents. You didn't mess with parents or schoolteachers. My lifelong hero is a teacher from those days. He had the strangest ideas, such as behaving, being quiet, doing your school work, and addressing him as sir.
Idiots infuriated him. Teenagers were expected to act like teenagers, not like kids in grade school.

The old geezers at the Roswell Municipal Airport back then took me under their wing, when I was 12 and 13. In return for washing airplanes, scrubbing endless amounts of oil and grease off of airplane bellies, and just being the airport kid, I was rewarded with flying lessons, taught how to keep all those wore out old airplanes running and flying, and got to listen to all their wonderful flying stories. Thank God for all those old pilots!

I soloed a beat up old J - 3 when I was 13. I went home and told my dad, who was a hot tempered old Greek. He actually came to the U.S. from Greece. I figured he'd really hit the ceiling, since he had no idea where I'd really been going on my bicycle every Saturday and Sunday for two years.

He asked me if I really wanted to fly that badly. I said , " Yes, Sir. "

All he said was if I wanted something that badly he figured he didn't need to interfere.

The next time I soloed that old J - 3, I saw my dad's '51 Buick Roadmaster parked by the airport fence, with my Mom and him standing alongside the car watching.

That night he shook my hand and told me he was proud of me.

Years later, both of my sons soloed my old T - Craft when they were teenagers.

What ever happened to kids that liked to hang around an airport and drool over old smelly airplanes? Does anyone out there have an airport where kids still do that? Does anyone still have an old smelly wore out old airplane? God forbid that the FAA should find out about it!

What ever happened to pilots that liked to have kids hang around an airport? I know of one at my home airport. The rest of the guys are way too busy being important with their fancy 200mph airplanes and all the electronic gadgets that a kid might definitely screw up.

Having been a high school teacher for 36 years, I have known lots of parents. I know of only ONE Dad who lets his 13 year old son hang around the airport. The world's lawsuit crazy now. Can you imagine the lawsuit that would come about for just giving a kid a ride in an airplane? I gave this kid a ride anyway.

Yep, times are different.

Can't stop the march of time. Don't have to like it though.

Believe it or not, I remember when high school kids used to behave, be respectful, and even say yes sir and yes mam to their teachers. Of course, that was back when they could actually read, write, and do their math too. That tells you folks how old I am.
 
I was one of those airport kids.

I started flying at 13.

My father never made an idle threat. He was Airforce(Korea). Firm but fair.

I'm watching my kids get used to "Instant Gradification". You want something just pick up the phone, get on the computer...FedEx will have it there the next day. No waiting.

I dont fool myself into believing that watching CNN will make me an expert on anything. In fact I have trouble telling "Days of our lives" from the news today.

I still remember getting those knots out of the tow line for the tow pilot and trying to beat my brothers record for stalls in the 2-22 before you were too low to enter the pattern.

Boy I've had a great life.
 
I was an airport kid... I rode my bike there for years before I could drive, and my first flight was with the guy who worked at the local pilot shop. When I got my first job I started paying for my lessons.

.... considering I'm 19 now, that wasn't too long ago. Only now I can drive... AND fly :D
 
ttracey60 said:
I soloed a beat up old J - 3 when I was 13. I went home and told my dad, who was a hot tempered old Greek. He actually came to the U.S. from Greece. I figured he'd really hit the ceiling, since he had no idea where I'd really been going on my bicycle every Saturday and Sunday for two years.
Next time you find yourself near Houston, look me up. You can fly in my J-3 any day!

What ever happened to pilots that liked to have kids hang around an airport? I know of one at my home airport.
I used to ride my bike to Arlington Muni back in the mid 70's. We rode right in there on our bikes and never once got questioned. Got to sit in a Citation once (at another nearby small pvt field). One of the crew even pulled me a Coke out of the cooler/fridge and gave it to me. meant a lot to me. sure hope he didn't get in trouble from the owners who came up while I was sitting inside.

The rest of the guys are way too busy being important with their fancy 200mph airplanes and all the electronic gadgets that a kid might definitely screw up.
The last kid at our little field South of Houston went off with the Marines last December. He scrounged enough credit with some of the locals to get his pvt before leaving. He was (is) a good person, always willing to sweep or wash something. Very respectful. never mouthing off or being a pest. and he solo'd in a tailwheel plane... what else can you say!
 
EAA young eagles program

I'm always looking for kids around the airport...don't see many....they have Playstation 2 now, and Microsoft flight simulator.

There is a great program through the EAA where you can volunteer to fly kids. I've been doing it for years and it's a lot of fun.
 
I am one of those kids...well, young adult. I took my first flight when I was in the 7th grade. My dad arranged the discovery flight at the Ol' Stone Mountain Airport (which is no longer).
It wasn't an official school holiday, but I rode my bike to that airport so often, Dad decided to drive me there for once.

I'll never forget this one moment during the flight. We're hundreds of miles up from the earth (about 4,500 ft MSL) and the flight instrctor asks me where I attend school. Moments later, he tells me to look out the left side of the airplane...just as you guessed, it's my school down below. It was at that moment I thought, "All my friends are down there doing school work, and I am up here flying an airplane. This is something I want to do for the rest of my life."

Currently, I am weeks away from my CFI checkride. It's rare to see young children at the airport where I train. There is usually a great turnout for Airshows and other special events, but on a day to day basis, no joy. The airport assosication is however, developing an "aviation park" which will "provide families, aviation enthusiasts and anyone who loves the outdoors, a place to enjoy for the ‘plane’ fun of it."

Check out this link. http://www.pdkairport.org/PDK%20Park%20Restoration.htm This could be something worth proposing to the committee at your local airport.
 
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Any nice day when I'm bored I'm hanging over the fence at GED drooling over all those pretty jets.:D Your right about the lawsuit thing. I'm a member of studentpilot.com and a lady was going to come down in a brand new A36 until she found out I was only 15(she thought I was 18) and was worried my parents would sue if we crashed. There are no more pilots at GED that'll give a kid a ride. If you don't have connections you don't fly around DE. :( Luckily I do..........
 
Re: EAA young eagles program

de727ups said:
I'm always looking for kids around the airport...don't see many....they have Playstation 2 now, and Microsoft flight simulator.

There is a great program through the EAA where you can volunteer to fly kids. I've been doing it for years and it's a lot of fun.


It's nice to know there are still people like you out there. I made a promise to myself to never fly with the right seat open. I want every kid to get the oppertunity I have. Could you imagine if some one came up to you when you were 14 and asked you if you wanted to fly a King Air:D.
 
I only wish I were one of those airport kids, but oh well, what can you do...

I even took my first couple of lessons in a Champ, but then switched to a freelance CFI with a plain ol' 172 due to cost issues. Now that I've soloed, I wish I could have gone back and stuck with it, but ya can't turn back time now, can you?
 
Shoot, i wish i was an airport kid. I would hang out at my neighboring airport La Guardia or JFK, but with security being all tight, I would rather go to Republic in Long Island. I agree with all of you wondering where the good ol days went. I wouldnt know the first thing to getting a job at that airport though, i mean, its always been a dream for me to just hang out watching the airplanes take off and land and then having someone come up to me and ask me "Ya wanna know how those things fly? Come on, i'll take ya." heh.. but nowadays everybody wants money for everything! :( Why cant someone just give a guy like me a break. I know in the future when I am flying and financially stable, i would offer some kid looking out onto the field admiring airplanes a chance of a lifetime! :D
 
Citationkid said:
...I made a promise to myself to never fly with the right seat open...

It's like pulling teeth with my non-pilot friends to let me take them flying. Most of them have little or NO experience with flying in anything.

I really enjoy introducing people to the aviation world. The friends that have flown with me, beg me to take them back up.

The friends who refuse: I don't bother begging or forcing them into the air. I just sympathize for them, knowing what they're missing out on.
 
I don't really mean friends rather kids who love flying. All you have to do is go to a CAP meeting and you'll already have a list of kids that will do any thing for a flight. There are plenty of people I know in GED with jets, turbines, multis, and singles that fly by them selfs all the time when they could have a low time pilot or kid in the right seat. I'm good friends with a 30 year old at MTN that is working on his CFI (he should be done by now and on the multi) that would love to ride in the right seat of all the King Airs with only one pilot in it. If you ask around plenty of people will come. I'm willing to drive 3 hours for one hour worth of flying, my parents don't like that much, but I'll have my driving license soon.
 
Citationkid said:
All you have to do is go to a CAP meeting and you'll already have a list of kids that will do any thing for a flight.

You're right about that. I'm a CAP senior member and will soon have my FORM 5 checkride completed so I can take Cadets up for Intro flights. (Looking forward to it, might I add).

I was mainly referring to my close friends who won't go flying. Something about being afraid of heights...I don't buy it

Anyway, It's the not the pilots I have trouble finding to fly, although right now, I'm in the hunt for a co-pilot to split cost&flying with me in a Duchess for an Angel Flight to Knoxville.

But it's like ttracey is getting at, the number of young kids these days hanging around airports just to watch planes, is lacking.
 
Citationkid said:
I'm willing to drive 3 hours for one hour worth of flying, my parents don't like that much, but I'll have my driving license soon.

You have 225+ hrs in various Citation types and are yet to get your driver's license??? :eek:

Revoked? Suspended?
 
I was one of those airport kids to. Grew up on an airforce base with T-33's then 37's and 38's. Spent a lot of time around crop dusters because my father was a big cotton farmer.

I got my first ride in an old Luscombe with my older brother right after he soloed in 1962. He was 14 and I was 9 years old.

Not long after that I got a ride in a stearman with an old WW2
P-51 pilot turned crop duster. He gave me the ride of my like and I've been hooked on ag flying ever sence.

And you're right that things aren't like they use to be. In 1970 a factory new cherokee 180 rented for $13hr wet, cfi was $6. My PPL cost me $750 package deal with all the books.

I know men that have owned many airplanes. Have many thousands of hours and never had a license, or ever taken a medical exam. And no I won't give any names!

We have a grass strip on the farm and all the neighborhood kid's line on Sunday's for a ride when they hear us flying. This one little boy, maybe 6 or 7 was with me one day. We have an old king loran in this one cherokee, this kid ask me if that was a computer, I laughed and said, well yeah, And he very seriously ask, got any games on it?

I do like these fast sleek birds with all this high tech stuff in the panel, but I would much rather have an old 8E luscombe with a good tach and oil pressure gage. Turn me loose in open country with a road atlas at 500 feet and I'm happy.

Longing for the 60's.......
 
Citationkid said:
I'm willing to drive 3 hours for one hour worth of flying, my parents don't like that much, but I'll have my driving license soon.


Your willing to drive?? You mean mommy is willing to drive you?
 

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