Airpac accident at Bayview Apt.

[chrisrj83]

Not to get into a pissing contest, but only visibility for the approach is required. On a very general statement, your probably not going to get in on a 800' non precision MDA with a 100' report... It's very common in the NW to have 100' broken at one and clear skies on the other, doesn't hurt to try. Might get in, might not.

As far as what happened.... Who knows, but I wouldn't want people speculating on my behalf-

Peace out-

I agree, and I don't know how many people here fly into bayview on a regular basis, but the asos there is alomost never right, and has been known to call low vis and ceilings when in fact it's clear.

 

[Hand Commander]

It's OK to at least think and share thoughts about what could've happened. I have a friend who worked there few years ago and the CP was always patting pilots on the back who were willing to take up the flight that another pilot thought would be unsafe. CP would even tell others that the person who decided not to fly wasn't a 'good instrument pilot' and that 'was intimidated with low IFR'.

I've dealt with the CP many times in the past as a ramp rat and have known several people who have flown for the company. This is the first I've ever heard of someone talking bad about the guy. From my experiences and hearing about the experiences of many others, I'll have to agree with BAT31 in saying this guy is an exceptional individual and people who come into contact with him thoroughly enjoy working for him. The flying environment is not for everbody, but for those who pursue it, its a great gig. Maybe your pal didn't have the sand.

 

[FlyboyPhil]

BAT31 is right, I spent 18 months at Airpac and was never asked to do anything illegal or push the minimums. The chief pilot is supportive and the owner is focused on safety. Wait for the NTSB to make their determination before you blame Airpac or the pilot, if at all.

BAT31, tried to PM you but it's disabled, Think we were there at the same time, Phil N. here.. D? there?

 

[BAT31]

PN-

Good to hear from you bro. Yep, it is me ..... or it is I, or whatever. I turned on that PM option. Shoot me an email when you get a chance.

B31

 

[Calvin]

One of the earlier posts said it he was found 2 days later, not true. He was found at first light the following morning, so maybe 12 hours. Thick fog and very low ceilings where the order of the night, hard to see anything, let alone a small twin in the trees.

 

[trybysky]

Just another positive throw at Airpac... I work with a few guys that came from Airpac and they have nothing but good things to say about Rog. If the pilot pushed the approach, it wasn't forced on him. Besides, a pilot with that kind of experience knows how to tell management where to stick it when it comes to pushing the limits for the company. I have no idea what happened, I wont pretend or guess what did. It's just too bad it happened. My thoughts and prayers with the fam and folks at Airpac.

 

[TheDogsBollocks]

Just another positive throw at Airpac... I work with a few guys that came from Airpac and they have nothing but good things to say about Rog. If the pilot pushed the approach, it wasn't forced on him. Besides, a pilot with that kind of experience knows how to tell management where to stick it when it comes to pushing the limits for the company. I have no idea what happened, I wont pretend or guess what did. It's just too bad it happened. My thoughts and prayers with the fam and folks at Airpac.

I must concur with the positive statements made in regards to Airpac, I have spoken to many of their pilot's and I have not heard anything negative in regards to the Chief Pilot or the company itself, let's wait for the NTSB to determine what happened-if it can.

 

[twott driver]

I will throw my 2 cents worth of endorsement for Rog and the Airpac operation.

A great guy personally and an excellent CP (despite being a Canadian!), a superb bunch of pilots, and some of the best IFR flying experience to be had.

Training is first rate, safety is a top priority, and not once in my time there did I feel pressured to take a flight. In fact, I would say it was exactly the opposite.

The aircraft were always well maintained, and the maintenance was proactive. As an example, it's not often freight companies will replace the 2nd vacuum pump that is still working after the other crapped, just because they know from experience that it is likely to fail soon too from the added strain.

My thoughts have been with Roger and Gregg and the rest of the Airpac family.
Go well Eric.

Flybunny, you're a wannabe dipsh!t who needs a good hiding.

 

[sleddriver71]

Flybunny, you clearly don't know anything about Roger. I flew with him for several years at Airpac. Not only was he always behind the pilots and NEVER pressured anyone to fly if the weather was below minimums, he made that job more fun than it should have been. I don't imagine I'll ever have the pleasure to work with someone like him again, he's one of a kind.

 

[100-1/2]

Seriously? Sled?

6 year old thread? I want the last 3-minutes of my life back.
Does Flybunny even exist anymore?

100-1/2

 

[sleddriver71]

Seriously? Sled?

6 year old thread? I want the last 3-minutes of my life back.
Does Flybunny even exist anymore?

100-1/2

I could care less about the 3 minutes you wasted, piss off.

 

[TMMT]

I could care less about the 3 minutes you wasted, piss off.

Whats the point of that?

 

[BornAgainPagan]

Seriously? Sled?

6 year old thread? I want the last 3-minutes of my life back.
Does Flybunny even exist anymore?

100-1/2

Seriously? 100-1/2?

You knew it was old and you still spent 3 minutes of your "valuable" time reading it? And then complain?

 

[BornAgainPagan]

I could care less about the 3 minutes you wasted, piss off.

Really? You could care less? For me, I couldn't care less about the 3 minutes he wasted.

 

[GG747]

I am wondering if the airplane had some sort of malfunction that would make him try that approach in that type of weather. An electrical fire for example would make me try an approach that I normally wouldn't try. For myself, I'll just read the NTSB report when it is available.