Airlines drop user fee demand!

[cjdriver]

Looks like airline management got shut down in their attempts to get even more bailouts from government. Let's allow the free market to do it's thing and may only the strong survive.

http://www.aopa.org/whatsnew/newsitems/2007/070720airlines.html

 

[klr1395]

Amen to that!

 

[AA717driver]

I think that once they pried open the can, everyone could see that it's the RJ's that are clogging the system, not corporate aircraft.

Oh, yeah, that and the FAA dicking with the controllers. TC

 

[T-Bags]

Looks like airline management got shut down in their attempts to get even more bailouts from government. Let's allow the free market to do it's thing and may only the strong survive.

http://www.aopa.org/whatsnew/newsitems/2007/070720airlines.html

Right...
So charging two differant prices for the exact same service is the "free market"? So the government setting the price is a "free market"? Are you on CRACK?

I understand that in many case, the exec jets fly to nice airfields near the city (often built an subsidized by taxpayers), so they may not contribute to "gridlock" on approach.

So how about his?
Charge every jet in Class A an "enroute fee" based on the use of that service.
Charge an additional fee for approach use based on the airfield.

I'm less concerned about "gridlock" and more concerned about charging people a fair amount for the amount of services they used. In the case of FEDEX and UPS, we have to keep the controllers on duty at airfields that would have normally been shut down at night. If anything, they require HIGHER FAA manning per flight than a normal airline flight. Yet they pay a fraction of the cost the airlines pay per departure.

 

[Ex737Driver]

Looks like airline management got shut down in their attempts to get even more bailouts from government. Let's allow the free market to do it's thing and may only the strong survive.

http://www.aopa.org/whatsnew/newsitems/2007/070720airlines.html

Are you daft?????????? Phil can take a flying leap. A blip is not a blip. Ummmmmm, yeah, it is! I can 't count the number of times that EWR or LGA has a stop so that a Barron can enter the "ATC" system from a local airport. :bomb:

 

[Black Hawk]

I keep thinking of the huge new billing organization that would have to keep track of all this. A gas tax makes more sense. Actually I suspect the airlines figured out that they would end up paying much more to keep that organization in place than any gain made on fees from corporate or private aircraft.

 

[JediNein]

Are you daft?????????? Phil can take a flying leap. A blip is not a blip. Ummmmmm, yeah, it is! I can 't count the number of times that EWR or LGA has a stop so that a Barron can enter the "ATC" system from a local airport. :bomb:

Um yeah, I can't count high enough for the number of times I've had to sit for HOURS waiting for the controller to change so we could depart from a local airport. Along with me were a bunch of biz jets.

If the ***** airlines wouldn't schedule 600 departures for a 300 departure window, we wouldn't have this problem.

If the ***&&**** idiots that live next to and around airports would stop whining about the noise, the airports could build more runways and accommodate the 600 departures and we wouldn't have this problem.

It's not any one item and us little people don't have enough collective time to work for free to solve the problems.

 

[~~~^~~~]

Jim Whitehurst has been talking other solutions that make much more sense. In Atlanta, Delta pushed for VNAV approach and arrival procedures that worked well for improving the maximum traffic flow. These will get turned back on once the realignment for the use of runway 10/28 gets approved.

In New York a general overhaul of the ATC system and perhaps "decend via" and "climb via" procedures could work to provide separation between aircraft with different flight and speed profiles.

User fees will not fix congestion. All user fees do is provide a source of revenue for the FAA that bypasses Congressional oversight. User fees might even be considered an illegal tax and result in a long Court battle before any of us would see them implemented.

The United States does have a Constitution. Our Executive Branch (which agencies like the FAA/DOT come in under) is not real big on recognizing Congressional power, but none the less the power to Tax and Spend is a couple blocks East of 1600 Pennsylvania Ave.

 

[NuGuy]

Heyas,

I have to admit: AOPA has been far more effective in their legislative efforts than ALPA ever has.

Nu