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99% of airliners.net photos cannot be considered photography. The pictures posted there have about as much creativity as a police mug-shot photo does. I think it is wierd that people continually post their boring pictures of the same thing over and over. "Here is an exciting picture of a CRJ taxiing in...", "Here is a picture somewhere over..."
Yawn!
 
Famous Dave said:
99% of airliners.net photos cannot be considered photography. The pictures posted there have about as much creativity as a police mug-shot photo does. I think it is wierd that people continually post their boring pictures of the same thing over and over. "Here is an exciting picture of a CRJ taxiing in...", "Here is a picture somewhere over..."
Yawn!
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A lot of them are like that, but then again theres a ton in there that are really pretty cool looking.
 
While the information in the forums can be a little off, if you want to know about an accident before the media catches is it, that site is pretty good. I've seen a lot of posts on developing stories, but past that I have to agree with most of you. They can be, and usually are just as ignorant as news reporters.

As for the pictures...I really enjoy some of the pictures they post. There are some very talented photographers!
 
I'll admit that I've posted some over there. The occasional intellegent discussion, correcting something that is SO FREAKIN' WRONG..., answering a legitimate question--stuff like that.

But you see these inane threads like 360 posts on the "Peter Max" 777 that CAL has or "Why was G-XRDO in Helsinki today?" Geez.

The pay issue comes in from most of the non-pilots because they would do our job for free and work at White Castle at night to pay the room and board their mom charges them. They have no idea why it's BS for NWA to pay DC9 Capt's. $124/hr.

The pics are a good source for your avatar--if your wife won't let you put a porn star on there. :( TC
 
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Anyone ever been to a Star Trek convention? Same types, different genre.
 
I'm sad to admit I am kind of a 'spotter'. I enjoy going to the airport and watching airplanes. FLL is great to watch airplanes, there are a few spots, and the cops don't bug you as long as you are in the right areas. Even MIA has some good spots, and there was one time a Miami cop came up to me and gave me his card and said to report anything werid. What pisses me off are the airports that don't allow any kind of spotting at all. What harm does a geek like me pose sitting and watching some airplanes go by?
The guy with the MANPAD isn't going to sit right at the end of the runway, he is going to be over in the Wal Mart parking lot two miles off the approach end. The Miami cop had it right, if anything weird goes on, someone who is around the airport alot is going to be the first to notice.

All that being said, there are some spotters that are a little werid, like the guys that write down every n-number they see. Who cares if you've seen every American MD-80. Same thing goes for the a.net posters.
 
They are mostly airline buffs, know it alls and CEO wantta bes ..
most of the information on A.net is false and just bs. There are also some real loyalist "fans" who think they know everything i.e World Traveler -he's the biggest Delta cheerleader sychophant...otherwise I lurk just to see the ignorance
 
big_al said:
but for example, the mentality of some, "richard branson is my hero! I cant wait for virgin america" without even thinking that they will drive down salaries even more. Or "cool! a new operator in hawaii!"
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If you've never shopped at Wal-Mart. If you've never worn clothing made outside of the U.S.A. If you've never driven a car that contains anything except US made steel. If you've always driven an American car. If you only eat organic vegetables hand raised by people you know.

THEN you can make that statement. Otherwise you'd better figure out that consumers want the best value they can get, and in the airline world that means the cheapest fare they can find because safety is assumed. If airlines want to compete then they need to lower costs, one of those costs is labor pay and salaries are going down.

Just like Wal-Mart pays minimum wage with no benefits and sells cheap stuff mostly made overseas. Just like the US textile industry collapsed putting thousands out of work and literally decimating towns. Just like the US steel industry collapsed putting thousands out of work and cutting the pay and benefits of those left. Just like the auto companies are threatening bankruptcy and reducing pay and laying off works and squeezing their suppliers for reduced part prices. Just like illegal immigrant labor is destroying the livelihood of rural America.

If you can put your hand on your heart and say YOU'VE never contributed to the demise of another great American industry THEN you can complain. Otherwise shut up, take your food stamps and get back on the flight deck.
 
i do everything I can possibly do to buy American and not support companies like wal-mart (never stepped foot into their stores) who are proud of paying low wages
 
If I need to laugh (or cry) I check out the message boards. Great entertainment--like watching the lines of fanboys at Star Wars movies.

But, I'd like to know if anyone has posted on airliners.net telling them what pilots and industry insiders think about the fanboys. Anyone ever invite them to flightinfo.com?
 
CFIse said:
THEN you can make that statement. Otherwise you'd better figure out that consumers want the best value they can get, and in the airline world that means the cheapest fare they can find because safety is assumed. If airlines want to compete then they need to lower costs, one of those costs is labor pay and salaries are going down.

Just like Wal-Mart pays minimum wage with no benefits and sells cheap stuff mostly made overseas.
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Everbody wants something for nothing but that doesnt happen very often. The problem is most of the US carriers have priced ticket sales to the point they can no longer make a profit. In the fall of 2000 the airlines were more than happy to slap on a fuel surcharge but now they cringe at the thought. Its almost like they want to show a loss....kinda funny since they happen to be in contract negiotaions while showing the loss.

Walmart pays minimum wage because they can. As soon as they have problems finding workers they would increse there pay. Same problem we have in the airline biz.
 
Thedude said:
Same problem we have in the airline biz.
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I was talking with a commercial pilot friend of mine about the cost of flight training these days and how cost prohibitive it is really starting to get. If I could still rent a C172 for $65/hr wet, I'd strongly consider finishing off the rest of my ratings soon.

At least in SoCal, the cost of a C172 is north of $100. I can't afford that and actually build a decent amount of flight time or take a decent x-c trip. SoCal-Vegas in a C172, $275 round trip? Great! Can't go enough! SoCal-Vegas in a C172, $500 round trip, um... The point is the leisure trips aren't so affordable anymore.

My friend says he saw something in AOPA where the number of student hours being flown at flight schools is plummenting. This *could* take some of the downward pressure off of entry level wages. I'm not holding my breath -- but entry level wages will rise one "no thank-you" at a time.
 
AirBadger said:
Saw this hilarious gem of a thread on airliners.net : http://www.airliners.net/discussions/general_aviation/read.main/2892976/

Now, I am a dork when it comes to planes, but thats on a whole other level.
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wow that's incredible. We might have to hire some of those guys to be our full-time schedulers. They'd do it for free I bet, and keep track of every last tail number, aircraft and aircrew status for us, maybe evenkeep track of the logbooks. They might be able to do it from their home computers too.
 
You have to look at the difference between the people on here and the people on there. We have pages and pages of threads arguing about pay , workrules, alter egos blah blah blah. I just spent a few minutes reading a thread there at Airliners, and people were getting nasty arguing about what airports were hubs for AA. It's a bunch of fans, who cares.
 
big_al said:
Im really puzzled by the type of people who visit airliners.net

They are literally obsessed with airplanes. They act like sports fans when it comes to airline companies. Many of them know fleet registrations, schedules, status of airplanes, etc. and they dont even work in the industry.

So my question is, are people like that harmful to aviation? Are they the reason companies can get away with short changing their employees, especially the pilots? As long as they put on the fascade to their loyal sports fan customers, they wont have to change their model much, just keep lowering the salary and keep laying off people?

Also, is it harmful when people like that are so obsessed with airplanes, they dont mind taking pilot jobs for pennies?

Or am I just crazy?
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You're just crazy.
 
You know why that site seems awkward? It's because there are almost no pilots that post there! All the topics are discussed by teenage flight sim pilots, airline enthusiasts who have no idea, and airline workers. The chance of seing a pilot in those boards is about 2%. I've noticed when there are posts about pilots/pay/airline jobs, it gets real quiet. It's full of teenage sim pilots and people who think they like aviation because they fly once ina while.
 

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