Airlinepay.com

[ADG]

http://www.airlinepilotpay.com./[/URL]


I know I have seen this on a previous thread, but I like this site enough to post it again myself. Didn't you have to pay for this information at Air Inc. ?

ADG

Do you think you will put a limited number of regional carriers?

 

[a320drivr]

So there is no confusion. Whoever runs that site got Jetblue's pay rates all wrong. He/She didnt put in overtime rates, junior man rates, holiday pay, etc.

 

[Hose A. Jiminez]

He didnt put that stuff in there for any of the airlines. All things are kept equal. You usually speak in terms of base pay when doing a basic comparison. Every airlines have different forms of incentive pay.

 

[hopeful]

Ya, I can't believe it. They forgot to put what a United Captain would make if he worked every Holiday and flew 150 hours a month until he timed out.

320- you are a real fine example of JetBlue. What a dipsh!t.

 

[furloughfodder]

So there is no confusion. Whoever runs that site got Jetblue's pay rates all wrong. He/She didnt put in overtime rates, junior man rates, holiday pay, etc.

Please tell me you are joking.

 

[JethroF15]

So there is no confusion. Whoever runs that site got Jetblue's pay rates all wrong. He/She didnt put in overtime rates, junior man rates, holiday pay, etc.

Can you say... Flamebait! This has to be bait or one of the dumbest remarks I've seen on this board. Come on now!!!

 

[furloughfodder]

I was just checking out the JB pay scales. I didn't realize their FO pay was so bad. First year is good, but it sure does cap out fast. I guess it's good you upgrade fast over there....hope that lasts.

 

[ADG]

I know, that's pretty funny.

One thing I like about the site is, it's simple.

ADG

 

[Iceback]

What A320 was alluding to is that premium pay (not necessarily overtime pay) is a big factor in computing monthly compensation. Everything over 70 hours is at time and a half. The base rates posted are only for the first 70 hours.

For example - a second year Captain does get paid $113/hr to 70 hrs, but it is $169.50/hr above 70.

To get an accurate handle on hourly compensation in relation to other carriers a "blended" rate should be used. For example, an 83 hour month works out to a blended rate of $121.85/ hr. for a second year Captain. Obviously the greater the number of block hours above 70, the higher the blended rate.

Junior manning and holiday do pay a premium, but do not have an averaging impact month over month.

F/O pay does start out well, but needs to be addressed beyond the third year. With the current order book, this will not be an issue for a few years.

FWIW

 

[BLUE BAYOU]

Out of 800 or so pilots, there are only a handful of 3-year F/Os-- and that is mostly by choice-- most are Captains by now. Last year, as a Captain, I blocked about 950 hours and grossed $151000 plus about $23000 in profit sharing. If you work hard here at JetBlue, you can make some money. Additionally, if you participate in the stock purchase plan, you can contribute up to 10 percent of your gross pay to a discounted plan-- I've able to accumulate several thousand shares at a great discount.

 

[Hose A. Jiminez]

What A320 was alluding to is that premium pay (not necessarily overtime pay) is a big factor in computing monthly compensation.
FWIW

as it is with most airlines...

...when doing a BASIC comparison, use BASE pay.

 

[Propblast]

If you're working for an ALPA carrier there is much more info than that available on the ALPA website under the Research Center link. Very informative and includes non-ALPA carriers.

Propblast

 

[skykid]

a230driver, what's not confusing is that your pay sucks. Not saying mine doesn't now too since we've been forced to drop down to that level. The pay rates on the site are depressing. This is why I want Branson to fall flat on his face with Virgin USA - It would be nice to see the trend going the other way. The next group willing to do it for less is sharpening their pencils for those applications.

 

[JethroF15]

A320drivr…
your pay does sux. Just like the dude flippin’ burgers at McDonalds. The difference is by the time you gain the experience to land a job with a major you have already spent a good deal of your life flying for peanuts and working terrible schedules… probably 10 to 15 years or more just to be qualified! The guy flippin’ the burgers walks in off the street. He can also make his LOW pay look good… Let’s see… If he worked for $6.00 an hour, 24 hours a day, 30 days a month… That’s $51840.00 a year! Not bad for working the grease grill at McDonalds! It doesn’t change the fact that he still has a low paying job. And what about the guy willing to come in and do the same thing for $5.00 an hour! You can fly all month and make up the low pay but how does that affect your family and quality of life? I got in this business to do something I love doing.. fly... get paid as much as I can and still have a decent quality of life, i.e. time off. I didn’t get into this business to be a flying whore for some company, even if they do serve the best blue Kool-Aid around! Just my humble opinion.

 

[KC-10 Driver]

Jethro-

Not quite sure what your analogy with the McDonalds employee was all about. But, my quality of life doesn't suck. And, I certainly don't work 24 hours per day, 30 days per month.

My schedule has me working about 14-15 days per month, getting paid close to 90 hours, and spending only about 2 or 3 nights per month away from home. I choose to fly mostly day turns. I help my kids with their homework almost every night, coach them on the weekends, and sleep with my wife in my own bed about 27 nights per month.

Now, contrast that with my pervious job where I worked about 8 to 12 days per month and got paid a nice hourly rate -- about $90/hour for 3rd year F/O (but never once made guarantee for two and a half years on the property). Not to mention the prospect of an interminable amount of time to upgrade.

I'd much rather work a few extra days a month, contribute in a real way to my company's profitability, and collect a nice big profit sharing check at the end of the year.

Anyone who knows me would say that I am definitely not a Kool-Aid drinker, but I am a realist. I lived the classic airline lifestyle for a few years. It was very nice, but it was also untenable. It's no wonder my old company went bankrupt -- I and a lot of other people were being paid for work we weren't doing.

Respectfully,
Not A Flying Whore

 

[767-300ER]

The reason I didn't include JetBlue's premiums is because, like a previous poster said, I want to keep the site simple. Apples to apples, baby! Other carriers like FedEx also can make some serious bucks by flying over their low monthly guarantees...

I agree that JetBlue paying its pilots 50% more for every hour over 70 is significant, so I'm thinking about including that as a note to the right of their pay scale. Thoughts?

I'm also going to include the monthly hourly guarantee in the near future.

John
www.airlinepilotpay.com

 

[holdon]

great idea

 

[smellthejeta]

To be useful, the site should include any information needed to compute monthly pay for an average month. That includes things like the guarantee as well as above guarantee pay rates. I suppose per diem could be useful as well.

 

[Minor league]

Oh great....another pompous ex Air Force, ascot wearing, squat to pee, got my job at a "real airline" because of the good ole boy "network" glee club charter member. WTF?? Talk about drinking Koolaid. What is truly rediculous is the fact that you get any "special" consideration above and beyond other experienced 121 pilots for a "major" right out of the military. I don't mean to start a rant, but............

Why should an Air Force F-16 type get any special consideration ie multiengine jet experience required but........ (or single engine fighter)?? Single pilot, no crew experience, majority VFR, etc, etc.
What about the Army or marine helicopter pilot? Crew experience, same military training background?? These guys and experienced regional 121 pilots seem to take a back seat to the glee club ex-air force??
Navy....they land on ships nuff said. They earned the right. Marines, Army, Part 121 experienced regional pilots....black sheep. Something stinks. What ever happened to paying your dues? I smell some good ole boy glee club network BS.
There is something definately wrong when you see "experience" F-15, T-38, T-37, F-15, 727 and nothing else. Silver Spoon fed glee club in capital letters. But this is just my opinion, what do I know. I just spent 11 years in the Army flying helicopters, 2 years flying night part 135 freight single pilot, and 4 years in the regionals flying CRJs. The "Majors" are still a pipe dream and LCCs a hopeful possibility. Does anybody else here feel a hurl on deck when one of these silver spoon golden boys feels the need to whine??

It must be the bib....I mean "ascot"

 

[MsFan]

Minor League -- Aptly named.
Nice flamebait.