Airline pilots lobby to fly past age 60

[Andy]

He flew 37 years for United. Wow life really did screw him, I feel so bad. I mean, that must mean that he was hired when he was 23? God bless his unfairly tortured soul.

Correction- he was hired at 22.

 

[Andy]

Mel Martinez
United States Senator

Climb2slow, that's because Mel is GOP. GOP is solidly behind changing it. Your time is better spent concentrating on Dems. I sent you a PM.

 

[N1kawotg]

No matter whose side you are on. Here's a question. If the law was not around today, could ALPA or anyone else make it law? My guess no way!
Remember, no hearings etc was used to make it law the first time.
Lobbyist have kept it around. IMO

 

[FlyBoeingJets]

This measure would in effect tie the commercial pilot retirement age to the social security retirement age, prohibiting the Federal Aviation Administration from requiring commercial pilots to retire before they are eligible for Social Security benefits.

S. 65 would protect worker's rights both by rescinding an outdated, discriminatory regulation, and allowing thousands of pilots to continue to pay into their pensions and into Social Security. This particular economic advantage cannot be overlooked, especially considering the current fragile state of a number of airline pension programs.

Sincerely,

Mel Martinez
United States Senator

Look closer at this guys. The real reason age 65 is coming is money. Money for Social Security. Less money spent by the PBGC. They will package this as workers' rights or some other mumbo jumbo to make it look they are doing us a huge favor, but they just want the money.

That's why pay raises for Congress ALWAYS get passed by Congress.

 

[Andy]

No matter whose side you are on. Here's a question. If the law was not around today, could ALPA or anyone else make it law? My guess no way!
Remember, no hearings etc was used to make it law the first time.
Lobbyist have kept it around. IMO

That's not true. There were hearings. Do some research on why the FAA was created. It was due to the Federal Aviation Act of 1958. The reason why the Federal Aviation Act of 1958 was passed was due to the large number of airline accidents. Here's a page that talks about the history a bit:
http://www.centennialofflight.gov/essay/Government_Role/FAA_History/POL8.htm

And in spite of stories to the contrary, Quesada formed a committee to make recommendations on how to improve safety - one of the results of that committee was the age 60 rule. After it was recommended, there was a period of time for public comments to be made. IIRC, there were only about 100 comments made about the rule change.
These are some of the pesky details that the pro change 'shooter in the grassy knoll' crowd ignore.

 

[FoxHunter]

That's not true. There were hearings. Do some research on why the FAA was created. It was due to the Federal Aviation Act of 1958. The reason why the Federal Aviation Act of 1958 was passed was due to the large number of airline accidents. Here's a page that talks about the history a bit:
http://www.centennialofflight.gov/essay/Government_Role/FAA_History/POL8.htm

And in spite of stories to the contrary, Quesada formed a committee to make recommendations on how to improve safety - one of the results of that committee was the age 60 rule. After it was recommended, there was a period of time for public comments to be made. IIRC, there were only about 100 comments made about the rule change.
These are some of the pesky details that the pro change 'shooter in the grassy knoll' crowd ignore.

Andy, you must have read the CR Smith Quesada letters.

http://www.age60rule.com/docs/smith_quesada.pdf

 

[Andy]

Andy, you must have read the CR Smith Quesada letters.

[URL="http://www.age60rule.com/docs/smith_quesada.pdf"]http://www.age60rule.com/docs/smith_quesada.pdf[/URL]

I'm not seeing the 'smoking gun' there. More of people making a mountain out of a molehill.
Do you think that Ike was in on the 'conspiracy' by appointing Quesada?

 

[FoxHunter]

I'm not seeing the 'smoking gun' there. More of people making a mountain out of a molehill.
Do you think that Ike was in on the 'conspiracy' by appointing Quesada?

No, but Quesada was appointed the the American BOD after he left the FAA. American, Western, and TWA tried to impose an age 60 retirement on thir pilots. ALPA grieved it and won in Arbitration. Smith had a problem JETS. His senior pilots were the same guys that started in the Ford Tri-motors and the Curtis Condors in the 20s. They were having training problems, which was expensive. Quesada fixed the problem. Quesada came from an era that said if you were age 25 you were too old to fly fighters. Wonder how that thinking would serve the military today? It was also an era that you may have found one pilot out of one hundred that exercised, fifteen out one hundred that did not smoke. WOW! How times have changed. Working to keep age 60 really has all the ethics of scabbing.

 

[ERJFO]

Mel Martinez
United States Senator

Can you send me a copy of the letter you sent her?

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Working to keep age 60 really has all the ethics of scabbing.

Whoa... easy ex non member... What do you mean!!!