Airline Pilot Salaries in the United States...

[brokea$$pilot]

TOP REGIONALS- ASA,COMAIR,EXPRESSJET,HORIZON,AMERICAN EAGLE.......F/O range $20,000-$40,000yr. Fair to say $30,000yr being average. Captain rates vary from roughly $50,000-$100,000yr with the latter for very senior Captains with 15+ years, I would say that the average regional Captain earns $65,000yr. I just learned from my European friends that the starting pay for F/O's on "regional" equipment(Embraer,CL-65) at most airlines throughout Europe is $60,000 U.S dollars. I also learned that pay at the Asian Carriers is not so far behind. It seems to me that these foreign starting salaries are reasonable for the amount of education and training required. Major Airline pilots in the U.S are paid similar salaries as their foreign counterparts for any given "seat". The point im trying to make here is that why do the regional airline managements in the U.S not value its "regional" pilots as do the foreign airlines and why do "major" airline pilots, ALPA or any other unions allow or tolerate such salaries for the PILOTING PROFESSION as a whole an not just their individual airline. Regional pilot pay largely affects major airline pay just look at the pathetic rates at jetblue. Jetblue pilot pay rates are a prime example of how the future of pilot pay is destroyed. The Emb190 is basically a DC-9 but why will it pay less than what Comair pilots earn on their 70 seat aircraft? Shouldnt the Emb-190 pay be similar to what the DC-9 pilots at Northwest earn? or atleast half of their DC-9 pay? But why doesnt it? and why dont the BIG BOYS at the MAJORS(icluding ALPA) care about these rates? Why because the EMB-190 is an RJ right? In my opinion, if ALPA and some Arrogant airline pilots dont wake up and smell the SH!T, they'll soon be swimming in it....

 

[FarginDooshbahg]

It's always someone ELSE'S fault, right? Blame it on ALPA if that makes you feel better. WHO agreed to take the job at that salary? WHO negotiated those rates? WHO approved those rates?

YOU....
YOU....
and YOU...

Who's to blame? Why SOMEONE ELSE, of course.

Typical, pathetic loser. Who am I referring to? Not someone else...YOU.

Deal with it or get off your a@@ and do something about it besides complaining and blaming.

 

[HowlinMadMurdoc]

I normally avoid stupid posts as this but...



Nevermind...this isn't worth a reply.

 

[KeroseneSnorter]

As long as people keep taking the jobs, it will only get worse.

 

[N1atEcon]

"As long as people keep taking the jobs, it will only get worse"

Nothing else needs to be said.

 

[Captain Overs]

It's always someone ELSE'S fault, right? Blame it on ALPA if that makes you feel better. WHO agreed to take the job at that salary? WHO negotiated those rates? WHO approved those rates?

YOU....
YOU....
and YOU...

Who's to blame? Why SOMEONE ELSE, of course.

You obviously have never been apart of a contract. I smell a Freedom Air puke.

Typical, pathetic loser. Who am I referring to? Not someone else...YOU.

Deal with it or get off your a@@ and do something about it besides complaining and blaming.

Your name says it all! You have no idea how contracts work. And don't come back with some B.S. story about how you've been apart of one.

 

[Juvat]

Well, there are always other professions for over-qualified and under-paid individuals like yourself. I think you should be playing piano in a whorehouse, not flying airplanes. Best of luck as you embark on your new career. Bon voyage!

TOP REGIONALS- ASA,COMAIR,EXPRESSJET,HORIZON,AMERICAN EAGLE.......F/O range $20,000-$40,000yr. Fair to say $30,000yr being average. Captain rates vary from roughly $50,000-$100,000yr with the latter for very senior Captains with 15+ years, I would say that the average regional Captain earns $65,000yr. I just learned from my European friends that the starting pay for F/O's on "regional" equipment(Embraer,CL-65) at most airlines throughout Europe is $60,000 U.S dollars. I also learned that pay at the Asian Carriers is not so far behind. It seems to me that these foreign starting salaries are reasonable for the amount of education and training required. Major Airline pilots in the U.S are paid similar salaries as their foreign counterparts for any given "seat". The point im trying to make here is that why do the regional airline managements in the U.S not value its "regional" pilots as do the foreign airlines and why do "major" airline pilots, ALPA or any other unions allow or tolerate such salaries for the PILOTING PROFESSION as a whole an not just their individual airline. Regional pilot pay largely affects major airline pay just look at the pathetic rates at jetblue. Jetblue pilot pay rates are a prime example of how the future of pilot pay is destroyed. The Emb190 is basically a DC-9 but why will it pay less than what Comair pilots earn on their 70 seat aircraft? Shouldnt the Emb-190 pay be similar to what the DC-9 pilots at Northwest earn? or atleast half of their DC-9 pay? But why doesnt it? and why dont the BIG BOYS at the MAJORS(icluding ALPA) care about these rates? Why because the EMB-190 is an RJ right? In my opinion, if ALPA and some Arrogant airline pilots dont wake up and smell the SH!T, they'll soon be swimming in it....

 

[FarginDooshbahg]

Your name says it all! You have no idea how contracts work. And don't come back with some B.S. story about how you've been apart of one.

Yea, I have no idea how contracts work. You have no idea about WTF you're talking about. I have been in this business over 20 years. Don't tell me what I do and don't know.

I guess your years of regional flying have taught you all you need to know. I see you're one of those 15,000 hr regional lifers. That tells me all I need to know about YOU. By the way "a part" is two words, in this case. "Apart" means you have come "apart" at the seams. Like your brain. No wonder you are a 15,000 hr regional lifer. You are too stupid to get a real job.

Another loser who is just a waste of my time.

One thing you're right about. I won't tell you I've been a part of one. I've been a part of dozens. At the regional level and the major level. The pilots elect the MEC, the MEC negotiates the contract, the pilots ratify it, and agree to work under these wages. Then they b!tch about the crappy pay. THAT'S how contracts work. You have no one to blame but yourselves, yet you point the finger at everyone BUT yourself. Either change it or get out. But quit blaming others and take responsibility. Like that'll ever happen. Right, loser?

Call me a "Freedom Air puke" to my face and I'll kick the ever lovin' sh!t out of you. If you have the guts.

 

[General Lee]

The regional pilots like to blame the Majors and ALPA for their declining pay, but the Jetblue E190 rates, not set by the Jetblue pilots but rather their management, will be the future benchmark. If they are flying 100 seaters for $89 an hour for a 12th year Captain, then the regionals can't really expect much better. I know that the Jetblue guys claim they will change it, but it really did send a message to every regional management negotiator out there. They all jumped for joy and bought themselves an expensive drink and patted each other on the back after breaking out the stogies.....


Yeah, our Delta pay rates went down 32.5%, after we were backed into a corner. Don't tell me we are at fault, we actually set the highest bar. Maybe someday we will get back there......



Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[Captain Overs]

Yea, I have no idea how contracts work. You have no idea about WTF you're talking about. I have been in this business over 20 years. Don't tell me what I do and don't know.

I guess your years of regional flying have taught you all you need to know. I see you're one of those 15,000 hr regional lifers. That tells me all I need to know about YOU. By the way "a part" is two words, in this case. "Apart" means you have come "apart" at the seams. Like your brain. No wonder you are a 15,000 hr regional lifer. You are too stupid to get a real job.

Another loser who is just a waste of my time.

One thing you're right about. I won't tell you I've been a part of one. I've been a part of dozens. At the regional level and the major level. The pilots elect the MEC, the MEC negotiates the contract, the pilots ratify it, and agree to work under these wages. Then they b!tch about the crappy pay. THAT'S how contracts work. You have no one to blame but yourselves, yet you point the finger at everyone BUT yourself. Either change it or get out. But quit blaming others and take responsibility. Like that'll ever happen. Right, loser?

Call me a "Freedom Air puke" to my face and I'll kick the ever lovin' sh!t out of you. If you have the guts.

Listen Jacka**, you said it all when you said "Yea, I have no idea how contracts work." Sounds like you are the one who needs to shut the F up! I will tell you what you don't know because if you could hear how dumb you sound you wouldn't embarass yourself with your nonsense. I've worked on several contracts and DO know how they work. Did I say I was a Regional Pilot? Do you have to be one to post a reply to a loser like yourself?

I'll call you a "Freedom Air Puke" to your face. Seems like I hit a nerve. I'd meet your pathetic self to "discuss" this issue. You have no idea who you're dealing with and you seem to be pretty brave for someone who doesn't know much.

 

[ACAFool]

I will tell you what you don't know because if you could hear how dumb you sound you wouldn't embarass yourself with your nonsense.

Pot meet Kettle. Kettle meet pot.

 

[Captain Overs]

You mean ACA and Freedom Pilots?

 

[HalinTexas]

General,

DALPA scoped out RJ's back in '96, I believe it was, leading the way for other airlines to do the same. ALPA National was complicit if they didn't give explicit direction. If DALPA were such leaders in contract negotiations, they wouldn't have done so. That was the true beginning of this RJ mess we find ourselves in.

ALPA now is doing nothing to help the regional/small jet pilot. They're too busy driving down wages at the majors in the guise of "saving the profession."

 

[JetFumes]

Another reason why the pay gets so low is obvious in this post. Pilots attack each other at will and fight amongst themselves rather discuss these things objectively. There's not much of a unified front. JetBlues pay doesn't exactly inspire but it isn't quite as bad as it seems. First, they only pay you the lower rate for the first 70 hours, plus, time and a half for the next 10 to 15, plus don't those guys get a 10 to 15% bonus check at some point? So its not great but, 73/hr at Blue =93,000 with perdiem, profit sharing,etc. vs. 75,000 at a regional. Plus the upgrade in the 190 is supposed to be 6 months, right. So, for a new guy you'd make a little more the first and second year there vs. another airlline. Its when the upgrade gravy train stops that you have to be worried about, and in my opinion, thats why the pay has to improve. Management is probably aware that this how people are thinking, and thats probably why its so low for now. I'm sure the JetBlue guys are discussing this issue.

 

[Captain Overs]

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[Bandit60]

I may be way off base but, maybe it is a supply and demand issue as far as pay goes. There are alot of airlines fighting for the same passengers which drives prices down and in turn drive wages down.

Please dont abuse me too bad. At least I am not blaming any of the pilots

 

[Captain Overs]

You actually are pretty close. An airline says we will only pay X amount period! The pilot group has worked to get to a happy medium (Negotiations). The pilots know if they say "No" there is always the risk of someone else coming in and doing that flying at that wage. If pilots were unified and alturistic then we would help each other out. As long as you have Freedom Air type pilots or Gulfstream, Mesa, ect. then this will happen. Comair is the only "Regional" who has had any balls lately with the company. It looks like we, i mean they, will have to start giving stuff back or lose that flying.

 

[captcaveman]

Your info regarding the salaries overseas is inaccurate.
I'm stuck working in Europe right now based in the UK and a regional jet capt could earn around 40000 pounds sterling here, which if you use the current exchange rate equals around $75000. However the buying power of £40000 in the UK is less than $40000US when you factor in the costs of living, taxes etc. Its impossible to compare the two.

I'm a capt at a large EU carrier and earn the equivalent of $140000US but it buys me about the equivalent of $65000 US over here, on a good day. Alot worse off than just about any major capt in the States.

 

[wndshr]

$30k a year for a FO on a regional??? not bad considering all you have to do is apply online....AND it is only a part time job! most working stiffs work a 40 hour week! we only work 80 hours a month!

pay needs to be cut in half to compete with the rest of workforce in this country. it is not fair that airline pilots only work half as much and make the same pay as their counterparts in other industries! AND the free travel benefits....now that is a huge pay stipend that the rest of the country doesn't enjoy.....discount cars, hotels...you add all that up and this industry is fat with fiscal overspending.

a large correction is about to be handed to the airline profession in terms of exorbitant salaries....JB guys should be commended for their efforts to socialize the pay differentials between american industries....now i think because of their hard work, the airline profession will slowly gain more respect and the envy from non airline workers towards airline personnel will subside. less air rage, and more peaceful, tranquil flights with comments like..."good job capt/fo...great landing...have a great flight...etc"

oh well....have you read this far yet??? if so, it was intended to be as stupid as the first post here!!!!

 

[Flechas]

oh well....have you read this far yet??? if so, it was intended to be as stupid as the first post here!!!!

HahahaI was about to go off on you!