Airline Labor Reform Bill

[SaifAir]

Anyone know the current status of the Airline Labor Reform Act (or whatever it is called). I have heard that it is stuck in committee (sp?) right now. With Republicans running the show I would think that this would get pushed through.

 

[TurboS7]

It was passed alright max captain pay 85K per year. LOL Better write your rep and senator.

 

[herb]

If you're an ALPA member it's real easy to email your congressmen.
Just login to the ALPA site, then follow this link:
http://cf.alpa.org/national/departments/ga/action/

From there you just click on "Airline CEOs/ATA join forces to take away airline workers' collective bargaining rights
Tell Your Senators to Oppose S. 1327."

After that, you just enter your zip code and it will bring up a form already filled out. Just enter your address and hit send.

-herb

 

[ksu_aviator]

I personally wish this bill had been passed last year. If it had I Mesaba's contract would be done and I might still have a job.

Flame away, but I'll take a descent paying job over unemployment.

 

[alrightythen23]

Hey TP, Go find a job and quit your whining. You'd still be on the street with or without that bill. I'm sure the union put you on the street too according to your comments. If it wasn't for your union you'd been out of a job a long time ago.

 

[Saabslime]

If it wasn't for your union you'd been out of a job a long time ago.

If it wasn't for the union (ALPA), and their predatory practices, much of the mess we're dealing with now could have been prevented and there might very well be more decent paying jobs other than the top ten percent of the seniority list at a select few majors.

 

[ksu_aviator]

You see now exactly why I have taken my position on unions. They even hunt me out on here to harrass me. Why? Because I disagree with them.

Now, let me explain why I might still have a job if this bill was passed.

According to our union and our management, the only reason we aren't growing and recieving CRJ's is because we haven't resolved our contract. This bill is suppose to institute the "Baseball Style/All or nothing" method of negotiation. In essesence, the union and the company put forth their ideas for a contract and a mediation board picks one. If this was in place last year, our contract would be signed and we, in all likely hood, would be recieving CRJ's and growing. Saving my job and many others at Mesaba.

Of course nothing is set in stone, there is no gaurantee that we would have received any CRJ's and there is certainly no gaurantee I would still have a job. But I know my chances of keeping a job would have been at worst, slightly better.

And I do know who is posting above.

 

[alrightythen23]

So how is it that you KNOW that your chances of keeping your job were to be slightly better?? I must say you are an intelligent guy but you still have a lot to learn.......good luck with the job search.

 

[SaifAir]

have you ever flown for a 121 supplimental operator with no union. I have flown for both. I think I would rather not fly than work for another without a union. Life is too short to be treated like s#$t evertime you go to work. Unions are not perfect but neither are the companies. Unions helped more than they have hurt in my opinion.

 

[DougCorp-9]

ksu_aviator


So you have flown a Saab for 6 months and you have already figured out how this business runs and how to negotiate what is best. I was going to explain to you exactly why you are an idiot but I won't. An idiot wouldn't understand the explanation.

 

[ksu_aviator]

No no explain away. Of course it won't have any credibility. Why? Because rather than explain the situation, as you see it, in your first post, you choose to resort to name calling.

As far as my experience is concerned, you have no idea what my experience is. But, assuming my experience is what you say it is, so what? In my time I managed to learn more than most.

Its not the experience that matters, its what has been learned.

I have learned that:

1. Unions will sacrifice a few members for the strength of the union

2. Union leaders are, in many cases, only concerned with their poilitcal career and not the good of each individual member

3. Unions use "mob" tactics to force all members to be unwilling participants

4. Unions work against the company to get what they want, rather than working with the company to prove they deserve what they need

5. All of the above are problems at all unions, as has been illustrated by others on this board

If you disagree with me, thats fine. But if you want to resort to name calling again you'll get no response.

 

[AAflyer]

KSU,

You said "They even hunt you out on here to harrass you". I think it was because this thread is about a few select CEOs and McCain trying to destroy the RLA, you then pander your personal thoughts on unions. Did you not expect a counter response?

I have read many of your posts about unions, I think we all get the point.

I hope you don't truly believe that bill being passed would have saved your job. That isn't unions casuing problems, that is denial.

AAflyer

P.S> put in your app with Comair, or Air wisconsin, Air Tran, JetBlue, SWA they are all hiring

 

[DougCorp-9]

No no explain away. Of course it won't have any credibility. Why? Because rather than explain the situation, as you see it, in your first post, you choose to resort to name calling.

As far as my experience is concerned, you have no idea what my experience is. But, assuming my experience is what you say it is, so what? In my time I managed to learn more than most.

***First of all what is your experience? "For the Record"



Its not the experience that matters, its what has been learned.

*** Knowledge is only useful if it is correct.

I have learned that:

1. Unions will sacrifice a few members for the strength of the union

***I will be the first to say that ALPA national is not the greatest thing in the world as far as politics are concerned. Look at the TWA pilots. I do however believe in the local members. I have a star on my ALPA pin for walking away from my job for 89 days in order to improve the pay and working conditions for all pilots including people such as yourself. (Your Welcome) When the strike was settled all of our pilots returned to work. We did not leave any behind as you suggest. Your own airlines union is what you make of it.

2. Union leaders are, in many cases, only concerned with their poilitcal career and not the good of each individual member

***Name a leader in any industry that is not concered about there own well being. Life is not a bowl of cherries but if you don't like your elected leadership you have the right to vote against them. It is call a democracy.

3. Unions use "mob" tactics to force all members to be unwilling participants

***Not quite sure where you are going with this one. I have never been beaten up in and thrown in the sewer.

4. Unions work against the company to get what they want, rather than working with the company to prove they deserve what they need

***Airline managements in general do not "work with" the pilot group on getting what the pilots feel they deserve or want with the exceptions of 1 or 2. Airline unions were born out of neccesity. Read some books on the subject. There are many out there. Why don't you try working for a non-union airline and see how it goes.

5. All of the above are problems at all unions, as has been illustrated by others on this board

If you disagree with me, thats fine. But if you want to resort to name calling again you'll get no response.


***If this bill had passed you would still would not have a job today. All you would have is and an ATA with the ability to throw large amounts of capital toward politicians who would use that capital to force your wages to a lower point that what they would be today. If you have learned as much as you say then surely you can understand that.

 

[DarnNearaJet]

I still find it hard to believe that there are pilots whove been in this profession for a while and are still anti-union. I've seen the military types in the new-hire classes who detest unions, I've heard the old, "my Daddy ran a business and unions were no good." And there are the RJDC losers who are so green with envy and blame ALPA for their lot in life.

But I run into these guys a year later and they've made a 180 course reversal on their opinions.

Does anyone honestly think we'd be better off without ALPA? We all hear every so often of how this or that pilot group chose to unionize. How many pilot groups have chosen to de-uniononize?

 

[Timebuilder]

How many pilot groups have chosen to de-uniononize?

None. They don't have to.

They're furloughed.

If this bill had passed you would still would not have a job today. All you would have is and an ATA with the ability to throw large amounts of capital toward politicians who would use that capital to force your wages to a lower point that what they would be today. If you have learned as much as you say then surely you can understand that.

I'm not convinced that is correct, but let's say it is. If lower wages in a spiralling industry are a part of a cost reduction strategy, then more carriers could afford to keep operating, and more pilots would be employed. Also McCain, who is not my favorite guy by any means, has this idea that it is okay to reduce and restrict political speech (the most important kind of speech, according to our constitution) by controlling campaign money, so that "ability to throw large amounts of capital toward politicians" is no longer an issue.

I liked the idea of unions, based on what they said are their aims. In reality, I have found that they fall FAR short of their stated intentions, no matter which trade or local you care to mention.

And yes, you can still be beaten by union thugs in this day and age. Ask Philly unions like the carpenters, the roofers, and the teamsters.

Or better yet, ask those folks who have disagreed with them.