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FlyChicaga said:
It's the lack of reliability why many courts will throw out speeding cases where the person was going less that 5-7 MPH over the limit. 15 in Chicago... :)

I will never go more than 10 over by a cop. Usually within that 10-over range between limit and actual can be argued. Not that I speed much anyways... ahem.

I know on top of 5-7 mph rule, speedometers have to be w/ 4-5 mph as well. That can give you a few extra mph's to play with.
 
You'll never believe this, but this morning I was being tailed by the CHP and I was doing close to 80. Wasn't really paying attention until I saw "Smokey" in the rear view. Did a quick dowshift and changed out of the "fast" lane into lane 3. He trailed me in the same lane about 4 or 5 cars back. Never pulled me over though. He must not have been tailing me for long enough to get an accurate speed. I thought I was toast.
 
flint4xx said:
How is it that a police expert can testify about the miracles of police radar, yet there are so many known weaknesses inherent in a cheapo little tranceiver with a tiny antenna?

What kind of technological gizmos exist that can override basic radar theory?

Any thoughts?

I ran across an interesting website recently -- you may be interested in the resources available or linked from there.

http://www.speedtrap.org (NOT .COM, it's .ORG !)

Under a link titled "Fight a Speeding Ticket" is a site

http://www.motorists.org/issues/tickets/

I can't vouch for the voracity or accuracy of any of the information on either site, but I get the impression there are strategies for challenging the accuracy of the machine and/or the training, record-keeping, or use by the officer.

Here's an exceprt from a further link, Ticket Fighting Information, Articles and Strategies:

http://www.motorists.org/issues/tickets/build_a_case.html

LINK: " Fighting the Typical Radar Ticket "

Here's a sampling of the kinds of things you might
learn from the above exercise: There were metal
signs that could have reflected the radar signal,
utility lines that may cause spurious signals, traffic
patterns that could readily cause another vehicle to
be the cause of the officer's radar reading, or the
fact that the distance you would travel, according to
the time sequence the officer is likely to testify to,
would result in serious cosine errors.

The "cosine error" will prove to be very
troublesome for the prosecution. Here's why. ...


In the long run, though, why not fly, err, I mean drive the speed limit and enjoy the scenery? Roll the window down, take off the convertible top, and smell the roses. Life's too short as it is. :cool:
 
15. Find out what kind of radar is in use in your area and on your commute. In the village of ashwaubenon...the ashwaubenon public safety officers use full time "on", moving radar alot...so it's like cop detector. In Green Bay however, they occasionally use lazer or the stationary gun type radar. So they gots to be sitting in one place to clock you in Green Bay. None of this lazy driving around and clocking people by accident crap, for the green bay cops...they gotta sit for their prey.

Dont all Wisconsin cops sit out and wait for speeders? I remember driving on I-94 from Eau Claire to Madison and Milwaukee alot and there were ALWAYS State Patrol cars sitting on the side of the road just waiting.
 
Av8rPHX,

I know on the WI/IL border there are always cops there. Heck it looks like when the highway was last upgraded they built little knocks for them to hide (paved and all).
 
Speeding...

WrightAvia,

Good tips on avoiding speeding tickets. Most of them I remember from my younger, faster days.

I used to get a speeding ticket regularly about every 3 years...almost like clockwork...last one was in 96. After that, I knew I was going to be flying for the airlines...so I started being the speed limit kinda guy...arrrgh!

In high school, I had (actually, still have) a 71 Mustang Mach1...bright shiny red and black...oh yeah, young teenage male with a car like that...surprised i didn't get cited sitting at a stoplight. Can you say 'ch-ching!'?

Then after college, it was a 90 Eagle Talon TSi AWD...now a brand new 2Lt going through pilot training in fast jets...there were days where the turbo positively GLOWED after a 'fun' drive...

Of course, I had my mature period in mid-94...95 Lexus SC300 with a special order stickshift...the only reason I never went over 130 was because it started to 'float'...not a good thing at 100+...

But then, I got married (sigh)...now i have a 2000 Impala LS. Would you believe that car is probably the best 'speeding' car i've ever had? Main reason...its silver! Silver or beige is about the best color to have on a car...one, it's stealthy...two, it looks clean even when it's not (though it means that it never looks completely clean either, even when it is).

So, my particular add-on to all the other advice out there is have a 'stealth' speedy car...now if I only could get a Subaru WRX without all the ground effects on it...

Fly (and drive) safe!

FastCargo
 
Right ON!

I meant to add stealth into that post...but as you can see I ran out of room. I think I had to delete about 1/7th of the post. Probably just as well, boring people to death and all.

You are so right about the stealth thing. I moved into the CAMRY about 1989. Then went on a 13 year binge of NO TICKETS. Still drove about like usuall. But the first CAMRY was charcoal grey. Two maroon ones. Two emerald green ones. It's almost like being the invisible man. Which I like.

When I was in the Navy, fast freight...I had one weekend where I got a ticket on friday, one on saturday and one on sunday. I was racing about on my motorcycle and was young, dumb and full of pee and vinegar. I did pretty good after the driver improvement clinic and all the court dates and a six month tour of duty in the south pacific.

One car I'm surprised I didn't get nailed in, was a used Chesapeake Bay Bridge Tunnel Authority car I owned while I was in the navy. It was a 76 Torino police package. I bought it in 78 and owned it for about 3 years. You could drive this thing through a school house. It had real aura. I used to beat the living hell out of that thing. 351 Cleveland, dual exhaust, suspension like a dump truck. Before that it was a 67 GTO.

Currently I got a bike that I have had since 1989. It's a 82 Honda CBX six cylinder, six carburator, 24 Valve, dual overhead cam, 1100 CC Super Sport. Beamer style factory fairing with matching factory saddle bags. Funny you should mention silver. It is. I usually drive this thing pretty tame in town, but I love to get out on the interstate and bash the tach back and forth, through the gears. I usually slow down for onramp overpasses and the emergency vehicle only u-turn do hickies in the interstate median. Just short bursts of motorcyle induced "free fall".

One day on the CBX, I was out doing my short burst of speed thing. I go to pass a mini van on the interstate, look up the road, look back over my shoulder, then flame on! Down shift two gears, reach way over and grab a freash and full rotation of throttle, swing over into the left lane and shift up, right before red line. Reach over and grab another freash rotation of throttle and slide into the right lane. It's amazing when you look in the rear view and the mini van you just passed, is like on the horizon behind you and your watch looks like it rolled back about three minutes. I would have told you that it kinda looked like the sun had actually receeded east a bit and that small trees and tumbleweeds were being sucked into the carb breather...but you
get the point.

Well anywho, to make a long story even dumber...I do the look, pass and go thing a couple of times. Looking real hard every time I make on of my moves, then slowing down to the speed limit while taking a break, when I look in my rear view mirror and spy what appears to be a MINI VAN, not only keeping pace with me but looking like it's trying to catch up. HMMMMMM? I decide to belay the next blast on the bike for a while, to see what dude in a mini van could/would be trying to keep up to a super bike. As time passed, the vehicle that is shaped like a mini van in my vibrating and small rear view mirrors actually turns out to be a Wisconsin State Trooper Crown Vicky, with rack lights. I play it cool for a while and Trooper sits back there for about 10 miles before making his turnaround on the cop U-TURN in the median. I grin.

I knock on wood...but I have never had a ticket in 16,000 miles of driving my old CBX. Never got one on the Gold Wing I had before that either. But the bikes I had before those, were blessed with tickets and traffic stops. Verbal and written warnings. Whew...sometimes you wonder how you actually live to be an old man sometimes.
 
Hey FlyChicaga

I think the wife and I saw those low profile rack lights in Illinois on trip down to Knob Creek, Ky last weekend. Really stealthy.

I know we saw a couple of plain wrapper Impala's working 41 in between the oshkosh and appleton areas. I don't know if they are state or county....but they will pop out of no where and OOOOOPS, THERE IT IS!
 
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Seems that since I left CA, I have realized that other states don't teach that the left lane is for passing.


172 driver, I guess in other states people can't read. They pass these signs that are about as big as a drive-in theater movie screen that read: left lane is for passing only. In Oregon and Texas I've seen them. In oregon there was this lady going in the left lane the same speed as a big rig in the right. She had about 20 cars behind her. I pass all of them on the right, squeeze in front of her and she was mad! I think I saw all the universal language signs in 2 secs flat.
I wish the cops would write tickets for this stuff, like they do in Europe. Man, driving in the left lane on the german autobahn is like suicide, unless you go 200kmh. If you drive 80 mph, you look back and see nothing. a few secs later you look again and there is a mercedes volvo,bmw or so going 250kmh (about 150mph) filling your mirrors. They also write tickets for not using turnsignals. I believe here in the states they are considered optional equipment, no tickets are being written for that. But oh man, you go a little too fast on a road where it's absolutely safe (even on roads that used to have a lot higher limit but for the sake of airpolution they lowered it)..........
 

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