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Kit seminars
Take it from someone who attended one ten years ago, save your money. I was looking for work and hoped to get something out of the Kit seminar I attended in LAX. It was a waste of time but for me getting to meet Irv Jasinski. All the resume tips and interview advice he and his lackeys were dishing out was stuff he has published in his magazines for years.
Save your money. Use it to buy the blue suit, white shirt and red tie, and use the rest to improve your quals and/or paying the printer for resumes and cover letters.
Take it from someone who attended one ten years ago, save your money. I was looking for work and hoped to get something out of the Kit seminar I attended in LAX. It was a waste of time but for me getting to meet Irv Jasinski. All the resume tips and interview advice he and his lackeys were dishing out was stuff he has published in his magazines for years.
Save your money. Use it to buy the blue suit, white shirt and red tie, and use the rest to improve your quals and/or paying the printer for resumes and cover letters.
Save your money and don't bother attending. What a joke Air Inc offers. Do you really think some company is going to hire you because you attended? Or better yet, do you think a company will hire you on the spot? -Not.
Use the money and get a few good books and postage stamps for the resumes.
Use the money and get a few good books and postage stamps for the resumes.
I do know that you will not get an interview with NWAirlink Pinnacle unless you attend, or are a furloughed NWA pilot. Furloughed pilots from other airlines get priority over anyone off the street, but I think they still have to attend. Right now, Pinnacle wants to fill the classes with 75% furloughed pilots and 25% from the street.
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Some friends and I attended the one in D.C. last October. I wrote a thread on it if you want to do a search.
If not, I'll sum it up here. The previous posts on this thread are correct in that you are most likely better off saving your money and networking. I was dissapointed at the small number of airlines that attended, and even more dissapointed when many of them attented only to tell everyone that they weren't hiring. Then it hit rock bottom when you waited in line for hours to have those few hiring airlines tell you that "yes you meet the minimums, but you will need more time/different time to be competitive."
Noone I know got a call. I think Colgan did some hiring, and Comair may have done a number of interviews. I will not attend another. It might be worth your while someday when the economy turns around and things improve overall.
If not, I'll sum it up here. The previous posts on this thread are correct in that you are most likely better off saving your money and networking. I was dissapointed at the small number of airlines that attended, and even more dissapointed when many of them attented only to tell everyone that they weren't hiring. Then it hit rock bottom when you waited in line for hours to have those few hiring airlines tell you that "yes you meet the minimums, but you will need more time/different time to be competitive."
Noone I know got a call. I think Colgan did some hiring, and Comair may have done a number of interviews. I will not attend another. It might be worth your while someday when the economy turns around and things improve overall.
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I found it well worth my time and money and it directly resulted in an interview that led to a job offer...a good job offer. It certainly can't hurt to go. Would you not go out to a nightclub just because you heard all the babes were taken? One thing's for certain; Stay home and don't make an effort and you won't get jack.
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Alaska Airlines does not give preferential hiring to furloughed pilots, in fact, it's quite the opposite. They want to be your first choice and they want to see that you made every effort to get hired by them. They attend Air, Inc. and they look very favorably on pilots who are willing to shell out the cash just to get a face-to-face meeting with one of the Chief Pilots. My husband went to the LAX Air, Inc. seminar in 2002 and met the LAX Regional Chief pilot at Alaska Airlines. A few months later he was called for an interview and is now in training at Alaska. He found out recently that Barry Rainey (sp?), the LAX Regional Cheif Pilot for Alaska Airlines, sent in a recommendation for him after meeting with him at Air, Inc. He didn't have an on-the-spot interview, but if you look at the pilot job listings at Alaskaair.com you will notice that they look very kindly on any conference attendees. I don't know about other airlines but if Alaska Airlines is your goal, go to the Air, Inc. seminars whenever possible and meet with the Alaska recruiters.
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I attended the LAX job fair. It was similar to a FAPA job fair that I attended in the early ninties. There is some information that can be gleaned from the experience. If you do attend one be objective and understand that nothing may come of it. An acquaintance that I met there got an interview date with Comair; setup at the job fair, so yes there are some possibilities.
One thing that might surprise you all.
Kit started out the morning meeting with something that went like this "At this point in time the state of the industry su*ks"!
That has to be a first. He did suffix that statement by telling us that there were still companies hiring.
Good Luck To Us All!
One thing that might surprise you all.
Kit started out the morning meeting with something that went like this "At this point in time the state of the industry su*ks"!
That has to be a first. He did suffix that statement by telling us that there were still companies hiring.
Good Luck To Us All!
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not exactly
Frankly, Alaska does not care whether you paid the money or not.
Airlines attend these for a number of reasons. First, it does not cost them anything to attend. They get to meet and talk with other recruiters, find our what is going on in other companies.
They have the advantage of being able to tell a bunch of applicants the story once rather than 80 times individually.
When they do need people, they can visit with them. Some of the regionals attended these to get and recruit people who came to see major carriers. Often there was as much action between the attenders and other attending airlines for job switches as there was for recruiting Kit's members.
Kit uses that allure to grab some serious money. AEPS frankly ran a much better airfair as far as the pilots were concerned. Cost less, ran longer with much more face time with recruiters. You could go meet Comair for $20 or $200 with Kit as example/
Frankly, Alaska does not care whether you paid the money or not.
Airlines attend these for a number of reasons. First, it does not cost them anything to attend. They get to meet and talk with other recruiters, find our what is going on in other companies.
They have the advantage of being able to tell a bunch of applicants the story once rather than 80 times individually.
When they do need people, they can visit with them. Some of the regionals attended these to get and recruit people who came to see major carriers. Often there was as much action between the attenders and other attending airlines for job switches as there was for recruiting Kit's members.
Kit uses that allure to grab some serious money. AEPS frankly ran a much better airfair as far as the pilots were concerned. Cost less, ran longer with much more face time with recruiters. You could go meet Comair for $20 or $200 with Kit as example/
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Re: not exactly
While you may be technically correct in your statement that "Alaska does not care whether you paid the money or not", they do care a great deal that you put forth the effort to attend a conference. Sometimes, "paying the money", is the only way to attend. As a matter of fact, currently Alaska ONLY considers pilots for interview that either are Horizon pilots, have a referral ("silver bullet"), or attended a job fair.
This is directly from the Alaska website:
Pilots
We are not currently accepting new pilot applications. QX pilots, conference attendees and AS employee referrals with applications currently on file will be the only applicants considered for pilot employment.
Publishers said:
While you may be technically correct in your statement that "Alaska does not care whether you paid the money or not", they do care a great deal that you put forth the effort to attend a conference. Sometimes, "paying the money", is the only way to attend. As a matter of fact, currently Alaska ONLY considers pilots for interview that either are Horizon pilots, have a referral ("silver bullet"), or attended a job fair.
This is directly from the Alaska website:
Pilots
We are not currently accepting new pilot applications. QX pilots, conference attendees and AS employee referrals with applications currently on file will be the only applicants considered for pilot employment.
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Again
Yes I am technically correct and for the most part correct on exactly what I said. They have enought Horizon, enought Silver bullets to find every pilot they will need.
Job Fairs make it easy on the recruiters, why would they not like them for the reasons I gave. It has absolutely nothing to do with your effort to get there.
Your telling someone who wrote the book on this stuff how it is. Thanks but I know exactly how it is.
Yes I am technically correct and for the most part correct on exactly what I said. They have enought Horizon, enought Silver bullets to find every pilot they will need.
Job Fairs make it easy on the recruiters, why would they not like them for the reasons I gave. It has absolutely nothing to do with your effort to get there.
Your telling someone who wrote the book on this stuff how it is. Thanks but I know exactly how it is.
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Re: Again
Of course, you would like to believe that, and even more so, convince others to believe it. It helps to sell yourself, which is the business you are in. You would think however, that someone who "wrote the book" would know the difference in "your" and "you're", but I guess that is what editors are for.
There have been enough posts, here and elsewhere, from people who gained interviews at Alaska by attending Air Inc, WIA, and other conferences to refute your claim. But, since you are the "expert" who knows it all, I guess we will defer to you.
P.S. As an AS pilot, I think I have a fair handle on where our recruits are coming from. Then again, I didn't write the book, so what do I know?
Publishers said:
Of course, you would like to believe that, and even more so, convince others to believe it. It helps to sell yourself, which is the business you are in. You would think however, that someone who "wrote the book" would know the difference in "your" and "you're", but I guess that is what editors are for.
There have been enough posts, here and elsewhere, from people who gained interviews at Alaska by attending Air Inc, WIA, and other conferences to refute your claim. But, since you are the "expert" who knows it all, I guess we will defer to you.
P.S. As an AS pilot, I think I have a fair handle on where our recruits are coming from. Then again, I didn't write the book, so what do I know?
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your reading what you want to
I never said it was not possible to get an interview at one of these job fairs. Read what I did say. IT IS EASY FOR RECRUITERS, that is why they attend and like them.
At AEPS and at WIA, they pay'd to be there. At Air Inc, they do not. I think it is a fair assessment that when the company pays, they are there because they want people. That said, there is a bit more than a little PC in attending WIA.
The original comment was that they liked people that paid there way in to these fairs as it showed interest. I am saying "not exactly". They liked them because they were easy for themselves. People do get some interviews out of them, no question about it. John Erskine from Comair hired most of his recruits at the major jobfairs.
I was merely trying to give you some insight as to how these things work for real.
I never said it was not possible to get an interview at one of these job fairs. Read what I did say. IT IS EASY FOR RECRUITERS, that is why they attend and like them.
At AEPS and at WIA, they pay'd to be there. At Air Inc, they do not. I think it is a fair assessment that when the company pays, they are there because they want people. That said, there is a bit more than a little PC in attending WIA.
The original comment was that they liked people that paid there way in to these fairs as it showed interest. I am saying "not exactly". They liked them because they were easy for themselves. People do get some interviews out of them, no question about it. John Erskine from Comair hired most of his recruits at the major jobfairs.
I was merely trying to give you some insight as to how these things work for real.
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