AIR Inc. Job Fair D.C.

[Bluto]

"Why do you think the representative from US Airways spoke?"

I have a theory on that one. He spoke at the L.A. Air Inc. a while ago and had a very similar speech. While it seemed spontaneous, the "stand up and applaud Kit Darby" part was verbatim what he said last time. I think Kit brings him in as a ringer to make people think that the high-level people in the industry respect his career fairs. Kind of made me queasy when I saw him do it the second time. Of course, as much as it makes me feel unclean, you know I'll be at the next one unless I get a call in the mean time. I have no scruples.

 

[Ty Webb]

Re: 6 figures in 6 years

Yea, it is only a job flying jets that puts you in 6 figures in 6 years, I can understand how some airline pilots would look down on this

It's pretty clear why you didn;t have much of a line going on, there, YIP. Rules like that, and your attitude clearly spell out that unless you like being treated like dirt, don't apply here. If you limit yourself to pilots who are willing to run out the door on 20 minutes' notice for three weeks at a time, well, you get what you pay for.

I got an interview letter from your fine firm back in '99 that made that clear to me . . . it was so far out in left field that I remember it now, almost four years later.

It informed me that I had been selected for an interview, but it advised that " . . . phone calls are accepted from pilots only between 8:00 a.m. and 10:00 a.m. on Tuesdays" and some other stuff that made it clear to me exactly how pilots were viewed at your company. Of course, I never bothered to call. Some times, being willing to do "whatever it takes" only sets you up to be treated like dirt, and all new pilots would do well to learn that lesson early. Some times, it's better to wear the orange apron and keep looking.

Flight departments are like families. Some are more dysfunctional than others, and some are SO dysfunctional that they could be right off the Jerry Springer show. I like to call it the "battered pilot syndrome". They seek out the guys who are willing to put up with anything.

Jerry: "So, let me get this straight . . . Even though he calls you up at all hours and then expects you to show up in 20 minutes, ready to be gone for up to 3 weeks at a time, you stay with this guy?

Pilot: "I love him, Jerry, and he says that no one else will have me if I leave him".

Audience: "Boo!"

 

[pilotyip]

Honesty

For Ty guy
It is called honesty, we do not want to sell something that is different than what we have. So we are up front. Most of our guys working here are somewhat happy, they get great training, their pay is above average, 6 figures in 6 years, they are going to have a variable days off schedule of thier choice, working whatever you want between 14 days of and 8 days off every 28 day bid period. communter lines 7 days off in a row. When airline hiring is going on, our guys end up with fantastic resumes and get hired by just about everyone, from EJA, Air Tran, Spirit, American etc. Right now no one is leaving. We are only looking for a few good pilots, 8-12 in the next year. But it is hard work and we do not hide that. Ask for input from USA Jet pilots on this board and ask them what they think, I may be out to lunch. My interview schedule in filled through January, with some extremely qualifed pilots. Our pool has some great highly motivated prospective pilots, who think flying for USA Jet is the right move for them. Besides the flying is fun, no routine routes, different airports, but it is not for everyone. I am glad you elected not to answer our invite, you probalby would not have fit in at USA Jet. Pax ops start next year, you would have been a DC-9 Captain, making about 80K, 13 days off per month, by now, but who cares.

 

[FurloughedAgain]

Ty

Ty,

May I offer some advice?

After 15 interviews, 5 airlines, 2 furloughs and a bankruptcy I have learned something very important.

This is a small industry.

Use a little less gasoline when you burn that bridge, ok?

-FA

 

[Ty Webb]

Re: Honesty

For Ty guy
It is called honesty, we do not want to sell something that is different than what we have.

Fair enough. I agree, it is much better to be uprfront about the job requirements.



We are only looking for a few good pilots, 8-12 in the next year. But it is hard work and we do not hide that. Ask for input from USA Jet pilots on this board and ask them what they think, I may be out to lunch. My interview schedule in filled through January, with some extremely qualifed pilots. Our pool has some great highly motivated prospective pilots, who think flying for USA Jet is the right move for them.

For those pilots who are looking, I am glad you are hiring.


Besides the flying is fun, no routine routes, different airports, but it is not for everyone.

Yep, I must agree, when I was flying 135 it was more varied flying, and more fun. But I willingly gave it up for a great schedule, bennies and a seniority number at a growth company.

I am glad you elected not to answer our invite, you probalby would not have fit in at USA Jet.

Very true. I would have wanted a job that paid more and had more time off, and, thankfully, I was able to find one.

Pax ops start next year, you would have been a DC-9 Captain, making about 80K, 13 days off per month, by now, but who cares.

Thanks, but I am fortunate enough to be at a company where I can do much better than that. But what you have still sounds better than some of the places that my friends are at.

I thank you for your intelligent response to my post.

As far as the Jerry Springer bit, that wasn't directed at your company specifically, but I am sure we can all relate to it.

 

[FL717]

pilotyip:

Your posts do indeed reflect honesty... and that is a good thing. Your posts also reflect a lot of indigenous negativity regarding the company and position. Not to pick you apart.. but only to make my point - here is a breakdown of your posts:

"Pilots are somewhat happy" - not acceptable. Most people want to simply be happy at their company.

"No one is leaving/interview schedule full through January" - well I think obviously the job market dictates that

"You'd be a DC-9 Captain making $80k with 13 days off"- well Ty is only slightly junior to me, and I can say that a 2 year FO at our company can make $60k - $70k with 16-18 days off, and NO call outs as a line holder, and the quality of life and lifestyle is much better.

My point is that your posts are not selling the company, and by your own admission it is a stepping stone, and it just comes across as "be ready to be stepped on" versus "this is a good company".

BTW - In 1999, I turned down an interview with USAJet, and turned down a job offer as a DC-9 FO with Reliant. I felt this same "attitude" and I probably could/would have fit in, but I was not willing to concede in order to "fit in" and I passed. At that time (1999) both companies couldn't get enough qualified applicants because they had this same "attitude" in that job market (1999), and USAJet can get away with it now(2002) due entirely to the job market, not because of the job.

Folks - read the fine print and do your homework before going to any company, don't do it for $35k and a job flying a "jet". Do it because you want to work and fly that type of lifestyle because this type of job becomes your life while you are there, and your gonna be there a while.

 

[Ty Webb]

Re: Ty

Ty,

May I offer some advice?

After 15 interviews, 5 airlines, 2 furloughs and a bankruptcy I have learned something very important.

This is a small industry.

Use a little less gasoline when you burn that bridge, ok?

-FA

Always good advice. Every corporate pilot learns that from Day One.

Another one is "Be careful of who you step on on your way up the ladder, because you'll see them agian on your way down".

 

[Ty Webb]

pilotyip:


"You'd be a DC-9 Captain making $80k with 13 days off"- well Ty is only slightly junior to me, and I can say that a 2 year FO at our company can make $60k - $70k with 16-18 days off, and NO call outs as a line holder, and the quality of life and lifestyle is much better.

Very true. I was going to post it also, but then I just started feeling extremely grateful for what I have and just let it go. . . . . .

 

[FL717]

We are very fortunate, and I think we all are grateful. I also think that USAJet is a decent company, and thay are hiring and making money during one of the (if not the) worst times in this industry. pilotyip is also a realist when it comes to his company and the industry, and I appreciate his honesty, though I don't think my post reflected that and I apologize to him if I was unable to convey that. My post was about the career/lifestyle of that particular part of our industry, and how those/that companie(s) operate and interact with their pilots, in my opinion. Reading the USAJet workrules as they are is not a very good lifestyle versus other opportunities.

 

[pilotyip]

Pigs ear

The business USA Jet is in is the pig's ear of the flying business, no silk purse, no life style, our prime directive is "No trip will be refused, if it can be safely flown" we know that and we can not change that . But we trying to make it the best pig's ear out there.

 

[Ty Webb]

Re: Pigs ear

But we trying to make it the best pig's ear out there.

I 'ear you. . . . Good luck to you guys.

 

[Clownpilot]

Re: Honesty

Our industry has truly reached a new low. Every once in a while I get to read a true classic thread and this is one.

Here we have a job that two years ago anybody with ANY quals wouldn't have even bothered to p*ss on and now look at this cr*p. Well, it's the same cr*p job, same pompous chief pilot, but now has little sniveling runts yapping at his heels. How sad this truly is boys. Have a little self esteem. This job sounds bad, looks bad, smells bad, and even has it's chief admitting it's bad.

13 days off? Is that a joke. Try 13 days on.

20 minute callout?? Pass me that crack pipe. Reality takes a big vacation.

Do not hand away all your quality of life for a piece of garbage job like this. Go to Home Depot or Walmart. Things will never improve there if they have guys willing to take that kind of crap. If nobody will take a garbage job like this they'll have to improve the offer. Putting food on the table is one thing. Being completely exploited and abused is another. The big problem here is that old Yip tells you the job s&cks up front. So you can't complain later when you are getting totally shafted.

This makes me sad. Yip, you got T-28 and S-2 time? Holy Moly Yip, you must be as old as dirt. You'd think by now you'd have gotten a real job.

And BTW, I saved the most interesting part for last. I loved your comment to Ty about how he wouldn't be a good fit. Yeah, it sounds to me like he has some self esteem and doesn't appreciate the prospect of taking it up the *ss EVERY day he goes to work.

And your final comment is a classic. He'd be a Capt making $80k, 13 days off a month......... I almost fell off my chair. Your inference obviously was that he made a huge mistake passing on your company. I think the last time I heard anything like that it was a jealous girl in high school who was mad at me because I took someone else to the prom. She cried and said it was the biggest mistake of my life and some day I'd realize it and be so sorry I passed on her. LOL. Grow up girly. It's pretty obvious now why you never made it any higher than some cr#ppy cargo outfit. BTW, just so you know, in the real world, flying a DC-9 for $80k 18 days per month...............SUCKS.......Back to reality.

For Ty guy
It is called honesty, we do not want to sell something that is different than what we have. So we are up front. Most of our guys working here are somewhat happy, they get great training, their pay is above average, 6 figures in 6 years, they are going to have a variable days off schedule of thier choice, working whatever you want between 14 days of and 8 days off every 28 day bid period. communter lines 7 days off in a row. When airline hiring is going on, our guys end up with fantastic resumes and get hired by just about everyone, from EJA, Air Tran, Spirit, American etc. Right now no one is leaving. We are only looking for a few good pilots, 8-12 in the next year. But it is hard work and we do not hide that. Ask for input from USA Jet pilots on this board and ask them what they think, I may be out to lunch. My interview schedule in filled through January, with some extremely qualifed pilots. Our pool has some great highly motivated prospective pilots, who think flying for USA Jet is the right move for them. Besides the flying is fun, no routine routes, different airports, but it is not for everyone. I am glad you elected not to answer our invite, you probalby would not have fit in at USA Jet. Pax ops start next year, you would have been a DC-9 Captain, making about 80K, 13 days off per month, by now, but who cares.

 

[Clownpilot]

Re: PilotYIP

OMG Airjobs,

Wipe off your chin. You missed some.

Hey Yip, don't make any sudden turns in the hallway....you'll break Air's nose.

Dear PilotYIP,

I attended the DC AirInc seminar. Unfortunately the pager went off just before the "job-fair" portion.

My company was desperately seeking an F/O (urgent!, emergency!, Can you help us out?) so, being the kind of guy that I am, I raced to the airport to do my part.

Unfortunately that meant that I did not have the opportunity to speak with you. After hearing your presentation I was sold. You made it sound challenging, fun, and exciting and I had really hoped I would have the chance to talk with you about it further.

I did, however, manage to get my hands on an application and mailed that to a friend of mine (one of your pilots) to walk in for me.

What are the chances that, given a deeper recession or war with iraq, there will be furloughs at USAjet? Obviously there are no guarantees in this industry and, although my wife and I are anxious to move to the Detroit area, we want to make sure that we would be making an educated decision.

I hope that I will have the opportunity to interview with you soon and have that conversation that I missed out on in DCA. I am excited about the possibility of joining the USAJet family and finally enjoying a little stabilty in my so-far turbulent aviation career.

Respectfully,
Mike in PIT

 

[Cliff]

Re: Strange

plus a burning desire to live in Detroit within 5 miles of YIP, on a pager with a 20 minute call out for trips of a 3 hours or 3 weeks duration. We never had a line at our booth.

Wonder why????

This is a joke right??? Step away from the bong!!!

So do you guys like lay around all day in a flight suit waiting for the alarm?

 

[rice]

Clown,

Don't hold back man! Tell us how you really feel!

Yip,

From one Ex-Nav guy to another, You have to admit that clown makes a few good points. Come on man, when you add it all up, detroit, 20 min callouts, 18 days on, $80k after x# years, where's the upside? Might be an acceptable stepping stone for the young guns but I find it hard to believe that any of us 30, 40, 50, somethings would ever plan on this being the pinnacle of our aviation career.
Sorry brudda, I know you've got a job to do but just callin it like I'm seeing it. Kinda reminds me of the Nav's recruiting slogan during the 80's. (which we slightly amended for every westpac)
"It's not just a job, it's a blowjob"
Sorry moderators, just couldn't help myself.

Rice

 

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Hey clownpilot(aka zeek&windbag)

Nobody cares about your rants. And with all those alleged ratings you have and ONLY 5000 hours, you must have been run off every job you've been on. Go back to your crack pipe, loser.

 

[Clownpilot]

That Hurts

Zeek,

Calling me a loser was unprofessional and not very christian of you.

I will ask God to forgive you. I will ask him to overlook your ignorance and help you to find peace in life. I will ask him to pull hard on your ankles to attempt to extract your head from your *ss.

You have offended me and I expect an apology.

I have only had two jobs.
This one one and the Navy.

Good guess. The Navy did run me out. Sorta.

After you read this please feel free to stick your head back up your *ss.........although your CAP posts were kind of funny in an unbalanced way.

Hey clownpilot(aka zeek&windbag)

Nobody cares about your rants. And with all those alleged ratings you have and ONLY 5000 hours, you must have been run off every job you've been on. Go back to your crack pipe, loser.