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This is an article from the Irish Independent today

Pilots 'to blame' for air crash that killed doctors


By John Lichfield in Paris

Wednesday May 18 2011

Pilot error is emerging as the most likely cause of the crash of the Air France Rio-Paris airbus which plunged into the south Atlantic in June 2009, killing all 228 people on board.
The dead included three Irish doctors: Jane Deasy (27), from Rathgar, Co Dublin; Dr Eithne Walls (28), from Ballygowan, Co Down; and Dr Aisling Butler (26), from Roscrea, Co Tipperary.
Preliminary investigations of black-box flight recorders, which were found three miles down in the ocean last month, suggest there was no major technical failure in the Airbus A330.
Separately, it emerged that investigators believe the senior pilot may have been absent from the cockpit when the aircraft dived into the ocean four hours into its flight.
His absence was not, in itself, unusual. There were two less-experienced pilots aboard.
The accident occurred when severe tropical storms lay directly in the aircraft's path. One of the mysteries of flight AF447 is why the pilots flew directly into the eye of the storm. Other flights over the south Atlantic that day steered around the bad weather.
A malfunction in speed recording equipment is thought to have contributed to the aircraft's demise. But this alone is not thought capable of having caused the aircraft to crash.
Air France reacted angrily yesterday to suggestions the blame was moving away from Airbus. "At the present stage of the investigation, nothing points to either the responsibility, or the freedom from blame, of either of the principal actors," Air France said.
In an internal message to staff, the director general of Air France, Pierre-Henri Gourgeon, said "rumours" about pilot error were an attack on the "memory of our pilots". "I have total confidence in their professionalism," he added.
Fault
However, earlier in the day Airbus issued a message to all its customers stating that preliminary deciphering of the black boxes indicated there was no reason to make "any new recommendations" on the safe operation of other A330 aircraft. In other words, the black boxes had not shown any major fault that could explain the accident.
The French newspaper 'Le Figaro' reported earlier that Airbus had been cleared by the first examinations of the flight recorders by the French accident investigation unit. It said the investigation was now concentrating on what the flight recorders might reveal about the performance of the pilots.
It emerged that the captain of the Airbus, Marc Dubois, is believed to have been taking his rest period when the plane crashed.
On a long flight, it is standard for the captain to fly the first leg and then take his rest.
- John Lichfield in Paris
Irish Independent
 
"Two less experienced pilots at the controls...."

Have they also adopted the charade of not having a fully qualified captain in front at all times? A captain who has actually been through a full captain upgrade course and is subject to the more frequent evals? Not like an IRO who got a left seat taxi 15 years ago for his type rating.
 
"Two less experienced pilots at the controls...."

Have they also adopted the charade of not having a fully qualified captain in front at all times? A captain who has actually been through a full captain upgrade course and is subject to the more frequent evals? Not like an IRO who got a left seat taxi 15 years ago for his type rating.

Not sure if you're being sarcastic here or not. Many airlines (including Delta) use 2 F/O's and 1 CA for a 3 man-crew. Flights over 12 hrs are double-crewed (2 CA's and 2 FO's.) Nothing inherently unsafe about 2 F/O's in the flight deck at cruise. We are fully qualified and typed and have gone through the same training as CA's. The only difference is seniority numbers and, of course, pay rates.
 
Not sure if you're being sarcastic here or not. Many airlines (including Delta) use 2 F/O's and 1 CA for a 3 man-crew. Flights over 12 hrs are double-crewed (2 CA's and 2 FO's.) Nothing inherently unsafe about 2 F/O's in the flight deck at cruise. We are fully qualified and typed and have gone through the same training as CA's. The only difference is seniority numbers and, of course, pay rates.

Or 1 CA, 1 IRO (a type rated FO), and 2FO's.
 
No, not anywhere close Skippy.

Failure messages vice exceeding a flight envelope message, big difference, think about it.
 

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