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Vladimir Lenin said:
mmk, TB, put down the crack pipe, stop comparing the antebellum Republicans to the bible thumping pricks in the Senate of today, and read up on LBJ, and his Head Start dealings on the late sixties

pretty easy, huh?

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

mmk, Vladimir Lenin (commie), put down the crack pipe, stop comparing bible thumping preachers to Republicans of today, and read up on Tancredo, and his efforts to curb illegal immigration and end race-based caucuses.

pretty easy, huh?

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:


Impersonating you makes me feel stupid.
 
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I also dont like Vladimir, i bet that he does not smell so good either.
 
Timebuilder said:
I grew up in the fifties and sixties, so believe me, you don't want to trot out LBJ as an example of racial tolerance. I'll take a Bible thumper anyday over a misguided egomaniac with delusions of grandeur. To be fair, your did see black people on the LBJ ranch. In the servant's quarters.

Even his "war on poverty' was an abject failure, spending trilions of dollars over 30 years to do nothing but promote broken families, teen pregnancies, and welfare dependancy. What a legacy.



I don't know what you guys are going to do when GW gets re-elected. I can't wait for you to spin the election, the vote counting, the turnout...we will have our hands full here, that much is certain.

That's easy enough for a liberal to undestand. :D

D3mn you, TB. You took the words right out of my mouth! ;)
 
I have an interesting question: If California can recall their governor because he f'ked up, why can't we recall the U.S. President because he f'ked up on Iraq (pre- and post-war) and our economy (which has been stifled by record deficits)? Tread carefully here kids--the Republicans started (and publicly backed) the California initiative.
 
Vladimir Lenin said:
now how does our discussion of the French, TSA and the seemingly conservative (by today's standards) antics of LBJ turn into allegations of incest?
Anyone else find it ironic that Mr "Lenin" takes such a liberal, left wing stance!?

Funny thing about communists... each new generation of "thinking" lefties really believe *they* can make communism work!

The dems of late have no leg to stand on wrt racial bias. For goodness sake, one of their Senate leaders (Byrd) is a former Klansman!

AeroBoy - I have an interesting question: If California can recall their governor because he f'ked up, why can't we recall the U.S. President because he f'ked up on Iraq (pre- and post-war) and our economy (which has been stifled by record deficits)? Tread carefully here kids--the Republicans started (and publicly backed) the California initiative.

What's your point!? The recall was allowed under CA law! you saying the people can't use the legal provisions of their state constitution to recall an elected official, or are you just chapped your "man" got recalled?

I suggest some further study in the laws of the land (you must have slept in state and fed gub'ment classes). Try this link, read and think...

www.usconstitution.org
 
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Recall

You can't recall the president because there is no law that permits it for the President. That is a Cali thing, not a US law.
 
If California can recall their governor because he f'ked up, why can't we recall the U.S. President because he f'ked up on Iraq (pre- and post-war) and our economy (which has been stifled by record deficits)? Tread carefully here kids--the Republicans started (and publicly backed) the California initiative.

Your question contains a unique perspective: an assumption on your part (and on the part of those who are seeking the democrat nomination for president, becuase they know they can't be seen as supporting the actions of the President) that we have somehow made an error in Iraq. If you look at what was being said by the naysayers beforehand, this has gone extremely well. We knew that there would be pockets of strong resistance, as we have found in Falluja. We knew that keeping a peace would be more difficult than winning a war. But I never imagined two to five America casualties ever day. I expected a hundred. So, by my standard, we are doing very well, indeed.

Ah, the economy. No president has an immediate effect on the economy. There is always a delay. Just now, last year's tax rebates are coming home to roost, having prevented far worse economic times. Walter Williams, the economist, has a bunch of good material on taxes and presidents.

Why are we in the situation we are in now? There are a number of reasons.

First, economies are cyclical in nature. After the greatest expansion in American history, this economy HAD to retract and regroup. Because of other factors, we have seen an over correction.

Second, we (that's the sum of all investors) poured money into tech stocks and dot com's that we had imagined would make a "future" profit, and we valued them on that basis. We ended up with an entire market segment built on speculation, and people just kept piling on. It was a bubble that had to burst, and it did.

Third, executives engaged in the biggest swindles since Joseph Kennedy in the 1920's. Did you know that the huge Kennedy fortune was built on the then-legal practice of insider trading?

It is incorrect to lay the wrongdoings of these Enron and Arthur Anderson executives at the feet of Clinton, just because it happened on his watch. It is correct, however, to blame the declining moral and ethical fiber of our society for the declining ethics in accounting and trading that are the hallmarks of this wave of scandals.

Fourth, we are still adapting to a global economy, where fast shipping, the internet, and hundredes of millions of people who are happy to make three American dollars a day are changing the landscape of manufacturing. We are going to have to adapt as a nation and find the things that we make best, and then be careful to avoid regulating the companies out of business, or simply out of the country. In many places, the environmental movement has accomplished its ultimate purpose: don't build anything here, and don't manufacture anything here. We have avoided environmental impact alright, but has this come at a price we are willing to pay as a nation? We have raised the minimum wage due to cries of "fairness!", but are we being fair to the thousands of Americans whose labor cost has priced them out of the job market? I think not.

Fifth, record deficits are the result when you must spend more than you are taking in, in this case to ramp up our hoplessly poor preparations for defense and anti-terrorism in the wake of 9-11. Fortunately, this condition will not last as we stimulate spending with tax cuts. I hope there will be more tax cuts among those people who pay the MOST taxes in America, so we can really get this wagon rolling.

Unfortunately, there is such lack of knowlege by many in the democrat base that this will be seen as "tax cuts for the rich" instead of "tax cuts for those who will need to hire more employees". Also, there is a lack of understanding that tax cuts increase revenues to the treasury.

Of course, if people understood the economic impact of tax cuts then there would be far fewer democrats, and the party sure isn't going to go out and give economics lessons that would support the President's policies. Instead, they are going to play to your emotions with rhetoric right out of the days of the Molly Maguire's and the sixties. As people become better educated, they have a larger stake in the society and they understand where they have been mislead. Keeping money flowing into public schools will ensure that we keep several generations so politically correct and "dumbed down" that the democrat base can flourish and be easily lead. Over time, this effort will fail.


As far as recall, this is a state by state phenomena. There is no provision in the US constitution for such a referendum as is in California. The closest we come to that is impeachment. I'm sure there will be a left wing attempt to impeach Bush, as I've already heard the rumblings. I'm sure you can get behind that, can't you, Aeroboy?
 
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Your feeble attempts at subtle internet innuendo reek of a 65 year old, logging on for the first time, using those handy AOL's CDs...

You mean as opposed to a still wet behind the ears teenager who has spent more time with computers than he has with actual humans? :eek:
 
Vladimir Lenin said:
Your feeble attempts at subtle internet innuendo reek of a 65 year old, logging on for the first time, using those handy AOL's CDs...

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Hilarious. It's like he strung a couple of non-related words together in order to sound intelligent. What the hell is "subtle internet innuendo"?
 
Subtle internet innuendo

I'd support an effort to impeach Bush.

Not only that, I think half (or more) of his cabinet should be indicted (a la Reagan).

How's that for subtle?

Here's more: Timebuilder, you're drive-by-style criticism of the Kennedys and Clinton belies your true partisan politics.

If it's Republican it's right.

If it's Democrat it's wrong.

Can you think outside such a narrow little perspective?

Try to mix it up a little. It makes for *much* more interesting reading. Keep us guessing a little. Make us wonder if you're really serious or not.

On the other hand it has occured to me that maybe you really are just joshin' all of us anyway.:D
 
Hey! I get it!!

By "drive by style" you mean the JFK motorcade going by the Texas Book Depository, right? A little macabre humor? :)

Most people don't know the source of the Kennedy fortune, or the outright hypocricy of Ted Kennedy sponsoring bill after bill that makes you and I give up our money to fund his government programs while the source of his own money is the result of a crime against poor investors, by today's standards. Seems a little fishy to me, not to mention vaccuous and self righteous.

You'll note that I did not say that Clinton was responsible for the poor ethics that happened on his watch, but only that he has helped to contribute to a new level of quibbling and parsing of words along with general moral decay.

I am the last person who will tell you "if it's Republican, it's right". Just look at the record of my own Senator, Arlen Spector, for starters. You can't find a more liberal republican. Hopefully, we can replace him with Pat Toomey, who incidentally, flys his own Seneca. And, who understands the constitution.

The Bush administration has bent over backwards to help the democrat agenda, and has only been bitten on the butt for his trouble.

I am against government entitlements that are forever expanding. Where in the constitution does it say that we should provide healthcare and prescription drugs for ANYONE? Why should Ted Kenedy and other rich persons over 65 get free drugs on my tax dollar?

The democrats are staunchly against a means test for government benefits, which means that Bill Gates, Ted Kennedy, and Donald Trump, along with all of the names we don't know, will all be eligible for medical and drug benefits. If you think this is a good idea, then by all means, explain to me just why this is a good idea. I have yet to hear any intelligent argument against means testing for benefits.

Maybe you need to think outside the box a little, old friend? :)
 
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Timebuilder said:

Third, executives engaged in the biggest swindles since Joseph Kennedy in the 1920's. Did you know that the huge Kennedy fortune was built on the then-legal practice of insider trading?

I thought the Kennedy's made their fortune bootlegging during prohibition. Oh well, I can't imagine that people even listen to Ed Kennedy (the drunk, the liar, the murderer) anymore.


It is incorrect to lay the wrongdoings of these Enron and Arthur Anderson executives at the feet of Clinton, just because it happened on his watch. It is correct, however, to blame the declining moral and ethical fiber of our society for the declining ethics in accounting and trading that are the hallmarks of this wave of scandals.

People have a preconceived notion that Republican = evil, ruthless businessman. This is why Bush has caught such a great deal of heat for these corporate scandals, whether or not he had any part in them. The liberal press scrambled to show some link, any link, between the administration and these corporate criminals.


Fourth, we are still adapting to a global economy, where fast shipping, the internet, and hundredes of millions of people who are happy to make three American dollars a day are changing the landscape of manufacturing. We are going to have to adapt as a nation and find the things that we make best, and then be careful to avoid regulating the companies out of business, or simply out of the country. In many places, the environmental movement has accomplished its ultimate purpose: don't build anything here, and don't manufacture anything here. We have avoided environmental impact alright, but has this come at a price we are willing to pay as a nation? We have raised the minimum wage due to cries of "fairness!", but are we being fair to the thousands of Americans whose labor cost has priced them out of the job market? I think not.

Our country has basically lost it's entire manufacturing base, thanks to globalisation. Capitalists argue that this shift results in lower prices for domestic products. I don't buy it. Sure, in some isolated instances, cheaper manufacturing results in cheaper products. However, I submit that most of the money saved by relocating hardly affects product prices. The downside to globalisation is huge domestic job losses. So, the real question is: Does the marginal drop in price for foreign-built products warrant the loss of millions of domestic jobs? NO.

Unfortunately, the trend is worsening. Accountants, customer service reps, even engineers and mathematicians are being replaced by foreign labor. The host countries benefit greatly, whereas we lose jobs. Additionally, many of these countries (India and China, for example) engage in predatory trade practices which punish imports from the U.S.

I earned a Comp. Sci. degree from a prestigious university only to learn that the jobs had basically dried up/become shaky due to outsourcing. Now I'm back working on an Elect. Engr. degree and fear that I will again be left with bleak career prospects. What the hell are young people supposed to do to make a living these days? If it doesn't work out, I'll join Norfolk Southern as a RR engr. At least they make a good living.


Fifth, record deficits are the result when you must spend more than you are taking in, in this case to ramp up our hoplessly poor preparations for defense and anti-terrorism in the wake of 9-11. Fortunately, this condition will not last as we stimulate spending with tax cuts. I hope there will be more tax cuts among those people who pay the MOST taxes in America, so we can really get this wagon rolling.

Deficits are the main reason I don't wholeheartedly support our role in Iraq. Although I recognize the need to eventually eradicate extremist regimes, this may not be the proper time to make enemies. We should focus on repairing our economy and withdrawing troops from foreign land. I believe that by ending our military presence overseas, domestic terrorist attacks will cease to occur.


Unfortunately, there is such lack of knowlege by many in the democrat base that this will be seen as "tax cuts for the rich" instead of "tax cuts for those who will need to hire more employees". Also, there is a lack of understanding that tax cuts increase revenues to the treasury.

I agree that the rich shouldn't be unfairly punished for their success. However, many corporations pay absolutely no taxes due to clever tax schemes. That is absolutely unacceptable, and is one of the many reasons for overhauling the tax code.
 
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Re: Subtle internet innuendo

mar said:
I'd support an effort to impeach Bush.
Go for it! The Constitution provides for it, which is what makes it such a valuable, timeless document.

Not only that, I think half (or more) of his cabinet should be indicted (a la Reagan).
Now you're stretching it a bit beyon belief.

If it's Republican it's right.

If it's Democrat it's wrong.

I used to claim I was independent and a non-partisan free thinker. That was before the national election of 1992. My vote for the independent elected "everything's for sale, d@mn she's cute" clinton. Now I support the side that believes most like I do and, most importantly, can win.

Can you think outside such a narrow little perspective?
having a narrow "perspective" (or more appropriately, well defined set of standards) doesn't mean someone is necessarily less smart or blind to other viewpoints. It just means, possibly, that someone has a more firm definition of what they believe.

Kind of like the opposite of a moderate (one who has no convictions).

Vladimir Lenin quote:

Your feeble attempts at subtle internet innuendo reek of a 65 year old, logging on for the first time, using those handy AOL's CDs...
wish I could buy you for what you're worth and sell you for what you believe you're worth. I could buy another couple of planes.
 
Vladimir Lenin said:
something you lack?

or is that too "big" for you too, Webster?

Do I really have to explain why your statement didn't make sense? Do you really not understand why my statement was neither subtle nor an innuendo? It's as if you lifted that phrase from another source without even considering the original context. Or perhaps you strung a couple of words together hoping that we'd "get the drift". Next time you formulate an insult, ask a native speaker of English to proofread it.
 
However, many corporations pay absolutely no taxes due to clever tax schemes. That is absolutely unacceptable, and is one of the many reasons for overhauling the tax code.

While "sticking it to the big, rich corporations" is a tempting idea, it won't work. Most corporations avoid income tax by being officially based somewhere else, and they are often multinational in their structure. Many foreign corporations who are the direct competitors of the corporations we would most like to tax are already receiving support from their home governments, and taxing those who we CAN tax will place those corporations at a competitive disadvantage, which eventually makes the corporation leave here, or so unable to compete that it fails.

Of course, we also have to remember this: US investors are relying on these corporations to remain healthy and provide a dividend to the investors, which is their main support during their retirement years. Taxing the corporations could reduce or eliminate that dividend, harming the corporation at least and forcing millions of retirees on to government support at worst, removing the tax money from the treasury that the corporation had just paid!
 
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Does anyone find Vlad's avatar a little unusual (disturbing)? Maybe trying to provoke arguments? I think this guy is just a 22yr old kid who not only doesn't have a life but gets a chubber thinking he's gotten under the skin of a few members on this forum. I believe he/she is best ignored.
 
Timebuilder said:
Taxing the corporations could reduce or eliminate that dividend, harming the corporation at least and forcing millions of retirees on to government support at worst, removing the tax money from the treasury that the corporation had just paid!

Newsflash, TB. Bush already "removed the tax money from the treasury that the corporation had just paid" by eliminating the tax on dividends.

Your next talking point will be "that money was being taxed twice, that is unfair." There are many instances of this, every time you buy a gallon of gas or an airline ticket, you are being "taxed twice" according to this definition.
 

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