Agi / Bgi?

[paulsalem]

Yes,

Or if you only have a CFI-ASE and need to teach a 141 INSTRUMENT ground school, take your AGI or IGI to teach it.

 

[brokeflyer]

Correct, if that is the course you decided to follow. But if a comercial pilot (No CFI of any sort) and said i'd like to get my CFI-IA, I'd say ok, and he'd do the checkride in a skyhawk.

We're not talking about the normal path of the flight school I work at currently though.

right...he would get his CFI-I after he did his CFI check....

 

[brokeflyer]

Yes,

Or if you only have a CFI-ASE and need to teach a 141 INSTRUMENT ground school, take your AGI or IGI to teach it.

yes, but the 141 part dont matter....you would need the IGI to sign off a written part 61 too.....

 

[paulsalem]

right...he would get his CFI-I after he did his CFI check....

Yea,

This whole argument seems to be due to symantics. The problem being when people hear CFI they thing CFI-ASE which isn't always the case. (Although most of the time it is).

 

[paulsalem]

yes, but the 141 part dont matter....you would need the IGI to sign off a written part 61 too.....

?

No a CFI-IA, or IGI can sign off for a instrument written.

CFI-ASE, AME, AGI (maybe BGI) for a private written.

 

[brokeflyer]

I meant that you would need the IGI(or CFI-I) to sign off an instrument written under part 61 too......

 

[paulsalem]

ah ok, Sorry.

 

[UndauntedFlyer]

If you just get the CFI and the CFI-I.....

Again, there is no such thing as just a CFI.

by UndauntedFlyer
The fact is that there is no such thing as just a CFI. And it is possible to be a CFI-I(A) only or a CFI-I(H). There are 7 CFI ratings: ASE, AME, IA, IH, RH, RG, and Glider. And now there are some new ratings for the Sport CFI certificate. Any one of the first seven is a stand alone as a CFI whichever of the 7 rating.

So to restate the fact: A CFI-I(A) or CFI-I(H) can not do BFRs or sign off a student for a XC. A CFI-I(A) or CFI-I(H) is only an instrument instructor. A CFI-I is a sort of specialist in instrument instructing.

Any of the seven CFI ratings can be taken initially and then the others added on later.

When an instructor is a flight instructor for ASE, AME and IA, he is sometimes refered to as a CFI-AIM. This is really not correct but it is a carry over from when there was no such thing as a S/E and a M/E instructor, they were only "Airplane" instructors or "Instrument" instructors or "Rototorcraft" instructors. That was all there was. You could teach in a twin if you had a M/E rating on your commercial and you were a CFI-A. You could teach in a Helicopter or a Gyrocopter if you were a rotorcraft CFI and you had those ratings on your commercial. And you could teach instruments if you had an instrument rating in a catagory you were qualified for on your commercial and you were CFI-I. The same idea as it is now for a seaplane instructor. If you had all the CFI ratings for airplanes you were a CFI-AI. And if you had everything you were a CFI-AIR. (R is rotorcraft)

Then in 1973 changes were made and the new 7 rating became the fact as it is now. If you have all the airplane ratings you are technically as CFI-ASE, AME, IA. or a CFIASMEIA. That way too hard to write or understand so we now just say that person is a CFI-AIM.

 

[brokeflyer]

whatever you say is fine with me. I dont have to instruct anymore so I don't care.

 

[Flymach2]

Hi Mike,

One of the prerequisites for obtaining a Gold Seal Flight Instructor certificate is that you hold either an AGI or IGI certificate. In addition, you probably are already aware of recordkeeping requirements for flight instructors. An AGI or IGI who recommends a candidate for a knowledge test is not required to keep those very same records a flight instructor must keep. For someone who teaches groundschool this could be an awful lot of records if it were required.
So, there is some benefit other than resume' fodder. By the way, there is no requirement for a ground instructor in a 141 course to hold an AGI or IGI. Ref. §141.81

Regards