Agi / Bgi?

[stearmann4]

How does one get to be an advanced ground instructor, or a basic ground instructor certificate? I gathered that you have to take the CFI written, but what can you do with the certificate? I'm guessing teach ground school?

Mike-

 

[flyer172r]

There are ground instructor written tests, which basically mirror the CFI tests but are different. I'm not too sure but I believe the certificate is required to teach 141 ground school. To get the certificate take the ground instructor written results and the FOI results (assuming you don't already have a CFI) to the FSDO and you'll get the temp.

Don't bother with the basic, just get the advanced.

 

[atldc9]

The Ground Instructor is a seperate certificate issued under 14 CFR 61. On that certificate, you can have the Instrument, and the Basic or Advanced ratings on it.

14 CFR 61, subpart I details eigibility requirements, as well as recency requirements.

Basically, you can give ground training required for knowledge tests or the issuance of a certificate, depending on which rating you hold.

The Basic and Advanced use the same test questions as the CFI knowledge test. The Instrument uses the same as the Instrument KNowledge test. So, if you are going to do it, you might as well take the Advanced(AGI) and the CFI-A(FIA) the same day. As Flyer172 said, don't bother with the BGI.

Once you have the results, fill out an 8710 and the FSDO will write you a temporary certificate, no questions asked. You will need the Fundamentals of Instructing written if you don't already have a Flight Instructor or Ground Instructor certificate, unless you are a teacher for a middle school or higher.

 

[Mach1]

Also remember that the advanced isn't just for airplane. You may get asked any questions from the CFI test prep including rotorcraft, glider, etc. So make sure you study those questions as well. If you ever plan on getting your gold seal instructor you need the instrument or the advanced ground certificate.

 

[minitour]

Also remember that the advanced isn't just for airplane. You may get asked any questions from the CFI test prep including rotorcraft, glider, etc. So make sure you study those questions as well.

Still not a hard test. I got a few on balloons and gliders which I know nothing about...and tell students that want ground instruction on such things.

Worth the drive into OKC (at the time) to have 'em. Got the AGI and IGI...shoulda just got the AGI, but it ain't no thang.

-mini

 

[stearmann4]

Even thoigh they both come from the same bank of questions, do I have to take two exams (CFI written, and AGI) seperately, along with the FOI? I'm getting all the writtens out of the way for CFI, but won't do any of the practical application for a few months, but thought it would be beneficial to do the AGI as long as I was reviewing the materail anyway.

Thanks,

Mike-

 

[schoolio]

Yes, both exams separately. If you do your AGI prior to your CFI, then you must show your AGI to your examiner during your CFI ride to verify that you've completed your FOI.

 

[GotBoost?]

Under what circumstances would getting your AGI/IGI be an advantage? I'm curious b/c i currently have ~200TT, working on my comm. & multi and I've already done the CFI/CFII & FOI writtens (just to keep me thinking while landlocked by all the ice this winter). I'm planning on becoming a CFI anyway- is there any benefit to getting the ground instructor certs? Mini- why do you think you should've only done the AGI?

 

[atldc9]

I recently, inadvertently, let my CFI expire. I decided I wanted to reinstate it, so that when I flew with my young sons, I could teach them if they were interested, hopefully not. Since it has been a long time since I was active in anything but large jets, and I was brushing up on the GA stuff anyway, I took the AGI. It was painfully easy, and the FSDO added it to my Ground Instructor certificate with instrument rating in about 15 minutes.

Other than that, I can't really see any need to have the certificate. However, it is so easy to get, if you are already studying the material, you might as well do it.

 

[TundraT]

Agi

I concur with the above post, skip the BGI. The AGI looks good on the resume and if one day the physical doesn't get passed. You can work as a simulator instructor.

 

[ROSWELL41]

Let me preface this by saying that this may seem extremely stupid, but I need a correct answer to this question:
I already hold a Ground Instructor Cert. with AGI and IGI. One of my professors will give extra credit if we take an FAA written exam during our summer course and the only written I have left to take is the BGI. Can I have the BGI added to my Ground Instructor with AGI and IGI or is it somehow considered redundant (from an FAA point of view)?

 

[cherokeeflyboy]

Let me preface this by saying that this may seem extremely stupid, but I need a correct answer to this question:
I already hold a Ground Instructor Cert. with AGI and IGI. One of my professors will give extra credit if we take an FAA written exam during our summer course and the only written I have left to take is the BGI. Can I have the BGI added to my Ground Instructor with AGI and IGI or is it somehow considered redundant (from an FAA point of view)?

You can take it, but IF you fail, you could lose your AGI "privileges"

 

[paulsalem]

IF you are a CFI and a CFII there is no point in getting your AGI or BGI.

For a 141 ground school you need CFI OR AGI to teach ground.

 

[UndauntedFlyer]

The BGI, AGI & IGI are pretty much a joke of an FAA rating but its worth getting anyway. If you’re already a CFI-ASE/IA, then your already have all the privileges of all the GI ratings. The only privilege of a GI is to sign off ground school for written test applicants and to teach in an FAA approved curriculum in an FAA approved ground school program.

 

[Go Ugly Early]

In my opinion, it's good for resume padding. Fort the price of the test, and the time it takes you to take the extra test and fill out an 8710, I think it's worth it to get an extra certificate. The ground instructor ratings also never expire like the CFI.
I showed my FAA examiner my tests results for my AGI after I passed my CFI ride and he just gave me two temporaries, one for my CFI and one for my AGI. I did more or less the same thing with the CFII and IGI.

 

[brokeflyer]

dont bother with either of them....just get a CFII then you can do anything

 

[UndauntedFlyer]

dont bother with either of them....just get a CFII then you can do anything

With a CFI-I you can only teach instruments. A CFI-I can not even do a BFR or sign off a student for a X-C.

 

[brokeflyer]

you must be drinking Drano.....the CFII is an "additional instructor rating"......the CFI is a certificate.....there is a difference. You need the CFI to get the CFII. So, a CFII can give BFR's all day long and then the next day sign a student off for a instrument rating......then after that teach a commercial lesson.....

Certificates are student,private, comm, and ATP....

ratings are(for example) Instrument, multi-engine, etc....

 

[paulsalem]

You can get your CFI-Insturment as you intial CFI. You would only be able to teach Instrument flight and ground (pt 141 and 61), and conduct IPCs.

UndantedFlyer is correct in what he is saying.

 

[brokeflyer]

well whatever...im not gonna get into a debate over it......but there is a reason why it's called an "additional instructor rating"....

im only a 15,000 hour CFII-M....so what do I know....

 

[UndauntedFlyer]

you must be drinking Drano.....the CFII is an "additional instructor rating"......the CFI is a certificate.....there is a difference. You need the CFI to get the CFII. So, a CFII can give BFR's all day long and then the next day sign a student off for a instrument rating......then after that teach a commercial lesson.....

Certificates are student,private, comm, and ATP....

ratings are(for example) Instrument, multi-engine, etc....

Sorry but you way off on this one. And I don't like your insulting tone, especially when you are so wrong.

The fact is that there is no such thing as just a CFI. And it is possible to be a CFI-I(A) only. There are 7 CFI ratings: ASE, AME, IA, IH, RH, RG, and Glider. And now there are some new ratings for the Sport CFI certificate. Any one of the first seven is a stand alone as a CFI whichever of the 7 rating.

So to restate the fact: A CFI-I(A) or CFI-I(H) can not do BFRs or sign off a student for a XC. A CFI-I is only an instrument instructor. A CFI is a sort of specialist in instrument instructing.

Got it.

 

[paulsalem]

Brokeflyer,

It is an "additional rating" only if you allready have your CFI ASEL, or AMEL.

Just the same as you can get your Private Multi as an inital Private certificate.
If you alreay had a private ASE, then the AME would be an addiional rating.

I've heard of flight schools that have students get their CFI-IA as their INITIAL CFI Cert.


Undaunted beat me to it.

 

[brokeflyer]

well i wasnt insulting you...just trying to be funny....

there is such thing as "just a CFI"....I had it for 6 months before i went and took the CFI-I written and the flight check......CFI can do ground for the private, commercial.....and sign-offs for those writtens.....they also do flight instruction for private and commercial.

A CFI-I can do all of the above PLUS instrument ground(and the sign off for the written) and also do flight instruction for the instrument rating.

A CFI-I-M can do all of the above PLUS flight instruction for multi-engine(providing the CFI-I-M, or the CFI-M has at least 15 hours in type)

 

[paulsalem]

Before you pull the "I have more hours than you do card" out, I'd be sure you know what you're talking about first. You're CFI is current right?

When people say they have their CFI most of the time they mean their CFI-AME

Simillarly when people say I'm a "double I". I ASSUME they have their CFI-ASE, IA. But that may not be the case.

When you got your "just a cfi" you got:

Certified Fligth Instructor CERTIFICATE with
Airplane Single Engine RATING

At our flight school you get your CFI-AME before you get your CFI-ASE, and IA.

B/C we dont' have a complex single.

Call up the Chief CFI at the NJA flight school and ask him.

 

[brokeflyer]

well you didnt mention that you didnt have a complex single. so your school don't do any commercial training then?

So you they get the IA after the multi instructor?......so that means they can give a BFR.....when they get the IA then they can go do a BFR on someone then later that same day go sign someone off for a instrument check.....

 

[paulsalem]

well you didnt mention that you didnt have a complex single. so your school don't do any commercial training then?

You only need to do your INITAL commercial training in a complex a/c. So we do Commercial AMEL first, then do a commercial ASEL addon in a C-172

 

[brokeflyer]

thats all kinda off topic now....I was responding to the point that there is "just a CFI"....the point being you need that(CFI-A or CFI-M) to get the IA added on......that's what i mean

 

[paulsalem]

So you they get the IA after the multi instructor?......so that means they can give a BFR.....when they get the IA then they can go do a BFR on someone then later that same day go sign someone off for a instrument check.....

Correct, if that is the course you decided to follow. But if a comercial pilot (No CFI of any sort) and said i'd like to get my CFI-IA, I'd say ok, and he'd do the checkride in a skyhawk.

We're not talking about the normal path of the flight school I work at currently though.

 

[paulsalem]

thats all kinda off topic now....I was responding to the point that there is "just a CFI"....the point being you need that(CFI-A or CFI-M) to get the IA added on......that's what i mean

No you don't.

 

[brokeflyer]

soooo.....going back to the main point of the thread.....to get the AGI and IGI...that's 2 extra writtens that don't need to be taken......

If you just get the CFI and the CFI-I.....you'll have all the same privledges without the extra written test.....some ppl do take them cause they may not be able to hold a medical or something.....then they would be usefull