AGE 65 Victory Party

[jke406]

Why do I pay taxes even though I don't agree with 100% of what the government does with it? Should I just stop paying? What would happen if everyone stopped paying because their pet issue wasn't being handled in the way they wanted it to be handled? How would society continue to function? Why do you feel that your selfish interests are more important and more valid than the interests of the majority?

Because this is not socialism. This is not a country where I should feel obligated to roll over and take it in the a$$ for the "common good."

This is where we are free to further our individual best interests and NOT have to pay a bunch of union clowns to tell us what we want.

I think the communist party in China is hiring, if you and Rez really want to feel at home.

P.S. If you really disagree with "100% of what the government is doing," you are free to leave any time.

 

[PurpleInMEM]

I try, as difficult as it is, to reject the blame game...

Whereas, I seem perfectly content to remind members of thier obligation to particapte in the democractic process of thier careers...

Block meetings at the AOC..... next door in the rec room you got guys playing pool, reading, etc...

Someone comes in and says.. hey fellas, there is an ALPA meeting in progress.... the poolballs still clacking...

For all the MIL guys that are all about defending freedom and democracy they turn around and reject it when it is representing thier careers. Explain that?


I've no position on Age 60/65. I just think ALPA pilots had an obligation to particapte in the process.... in majority numbers...

Huh? Obligation?

Oh, you mean because of agency shop? Or is it because of how important my opinion is to the leadership?

Nice try though.

 

[PCL_128]

Because this is not socialism. This is not a country where I should feel obligated to roll over and take it in the a$$ for the "common good.

America is not a socialist country, yet you are required to pay your taxes even if you disagree with what the government does with your money. How is this any different than ALPA's agency shop clauses that require a contribution, even when you don't necessarily agree with what ALPA is doing? ALPA is no more socialist than America is, because the basic principles that created America also created ALPA: democracy.

P.S. If you really disagree with "100% of what the government is doing," you are free to leave any time.

I didn't say that I disagree with everything the government is doing, merely that I don't agree with every single thing that they do. In other words, I agree with some things, and disagree with others. The fact that I disagree with how the government spends the portion of my money that goes to welfare doesn't entitle me to stop paying my taxes. Likewise, the fact that you disagree with how ALPA handled the Age 60 issue or any other issue doesn't entitle you to not pay dues to the organization that represents you.

 

[jke406]

America is not a socialist country, yet you are required to pay your taxes even if you disagree with what the government does with your money. How is this any different than ALPA's agency shop clauses that require a contribution, even when you don't necessarily agree with what ALPA is doing? ALPA is no more socialist than America is, because the basic principles that created America also created ALPA: democracy. I didn't say that I disagree with everything the government is doing, merely that I don't agree with every single thing that they do. In other words, I agree with some things, and disagree with others. The fact that I disagree with how the government spends the portion of my money that goes to welfare doesn't entitle me to stop paying my taxes. Likewise, the fact that you disagree with how ALPA handled the Age 60 issue or any other issue doesn't entitle you to not pay dues to the organization that represents you.

The difference is, federal and state governments contain "checks and balances" written into their constitutions to ensure that there are no Praters who can roll in and completely subvert citizens' desires at will, simply because he won one election.

Checks and balances...ALPA must have "forgotten" to institute those.

Don't compare the rudimentary corruption at ALPA with our constitution. Not gonna work. Unless, of course, ALPA is also going to provide national defense, a system of courts, etc, etc.

Not holding my breath. I want my money back.

 

[PCL_128]

The difference is, federal and state governments contain "checks and balances" written into their constitutions to ensure that there are no Praters who can roll in and completely subvert citizens' desires at will simply because he won one election.

ALPA's C & BLs also contain those checks and balances. Doesn't do much good when the membership is so apathetic and ignorant that they don't know how to use that system of checks and balances. There are many avenues that the membership can use to fix the Prater problem, but as usual, the lazy membership will do nothing. Don't blame ALPA, blame yourselves.

I want my money back.

You could always try suing. That worked out well for the RJDC losers. They ended up with 7 figure legal bills and nothing to show for it. Have fun with that.

 

[jke406]

You could always try suing. That worked out well for the RJDC losers. They ended up with 7 figure legal bills and nothing to show for it. Have fun with that.

Exactly the smug, fat-cat attitude that illustrates to what extent corrupt ALPA "leaders" are completely out-of-touch with their constituents. Thank you for proving my point.


Classic ALPA buck-passing: "It's the lazy members' fault we are corrupt and out of touch."

 

[PCL_128]

Exactly the smug, fat-cat attitude that illustrates to what extent corrupt ALPA "leaders" are completely out-of-touch with their members. Thank you for proving my point.

Newsflash: I'm not an ALPA "fat-cat." I don't even work for an ALPA carrier anymore. I'm just a devoted fan.

 

[jke406]

Newsflash: I'm not an ALPA "fat-cat." I don't even work for an ALPA carrier anymore. I'm just a devoted fan.

OK, great. Either way, you're doing a great job of toting the party line.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Exactly the smug, fat-cat attitude that illustrates to what extent corrupt ALPA "leaders" are completely out-of-touch with their constituents. Thank you for proving my point.


Classic ALPA buck-passing: "It's the lazy members' fault we are corrupt and out of touch."

Huh? Obligation?

Oh, you mean because of agency shop? Or is it because of how important my opinion is to the leadership?

Nice try though.

What are the responsibilites and obligations of the membership?

Pay dues?



And if they do pay dues and aren't satisfied what should/can they do about it?

Do they have a democratic responsibility to particapte?

 

[PCL_128]

OK, great. Either way, you're doing a great job of toting the party line.

And you're doing a great job of dissenting, despite not knowing what you're talking about.