Age 65 is Law the greedy.....

[ASA_Aviator]

With the stress of this occupation, I just hope to live to see 65.

I'm sorry to burst your bubble, but this simply is not a stressful occupation. Unless of course you are the "type A" personality that gets wrapped around the axle at every little thing that comes along. Those types of people are stressed out no matter what.

Most of the stress of this job is self-induced, such as getting pissed off when a passenger gets riled up or when a bag is added late, or when you are over fueled, etc. Just sit back, relax, and take it as it comes. That way, you'll live to see 65.

 

[Stifler's Mom]

I'm sorry to burst your bubble, but this simply is not a stressful occupation. Unless of course you are the "type A" personality that gets wrapped around the axle at every little thing that comes along. Those types of people are stressed out no matter what.

Most of the stress of this job is self-induced, such as getting pissed off when a passenger gets riled up or when a bag is added late, or when you are over fueled, etc. Just sit back, relax, and take it as it comes. That way, you'll live to see 65.

We're on different pages about what I'm talking about. Trying to make ends meet on poor salaries. Living paycheck-to-paycheck while paying mortgages, car payments, school loans, raising children, sending them to college, etc.

Having to put your career on the line every 6 months with a FAA physical exam or checkride. Being responsible for the lives of customers, especially during bad weather. Screwed up sleep cycles. Exposure to radiation and who knows what types of mold and other airborne crap in lousy hotels.

Pensions, salaries and work rules dismantled Post 9/11.

I'll give you the ATL ramp though.

 

[GlenQ]

Goes into effect immediately. If you haven't yet turned 60 today, then your new age limit is 65. The greedy geezers have screwed us all over.

are you sure it would be effective immediately? is there no implementation period?..i thought this was part of the 2008 budget that wouldn't go into effect until '08? (but then again, I'm not completely sure about that).

anyone have any link or something that spells out the details of when this would kick in?

wonder what happens to all the guys who were about to leave at 60 and were going to get social security 'bridge' compensation til 65, i guess that's out the window. hope they weren't counting on that money like clark griswall and his christmas bonus

 

[Hamburger]

get over it as it's no more than a blip on your whole career. Whaaa Whaaa, I'm not going to make Capt. this year!

This "blip" just cost me $283,000 in wages, jackass. That's just pure wages, not even figuring the time value of money. It also scorched the Earth of my QOL.At least I'm one of the lucky ones that made it on property. You are REALLY ********************ting on the Regional guys. If you listen closely, you can hear the door to ALL of the HR/pilot hiring/people department/recruiting offices closing.

 

[kmox29]

are you sure it would be effective immediately? is there no implementation period?..i thought this was part of the 2008 budget that wouldn't go into effect until '08? (but then again, I'm not completely sure about that).

anyone have any link or something that spells out the details of when this would kick in?

The Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) welcomes the legislation signed into law last night by the President that allows U.S. commercial pilots to fly until age 65. The determined efforts of Congress have averted a lengthy federal rulemaking process while enabling some of our nation’s most experienced pilots to keep flying.

Effective last night, the Fair Treatment for Experienced Pilots Act allows both pilots on a domestic flight to be up to age 65. For international flights, one pilot may be up to age 65 provided the other pilot is under age 60, consistent with the November 2006 International Civil Aviation Organization (ICAO) standard.

While the law is not retroactive, airlines do have the option to rehire pilots who are under age 65. The rehiring of pilots is not mandatory and is the decision of each airline.

In January, the FAA announced that it would raise the retirement age for commercial pilots to 65. The mandatory federal rulemaking process would have taken 18 months to two years. The FAA took a renewed look at its longstanding rule in September 2006 with the help of aviation industry and medical experts who provided the agency with valuable insight and analysis. The “Age 60 Rule” had been in effect since 1959.

---That's from faa.gov. To me, that means it has already kicked in. Best of luck boys and girls uke:

 

[Stifler's Mom]

While the law is not retroactive, airlines do have the option to rehire pilots who are under age 65. The rehiring of pilots is not mandatory and is the decision of each airline.

This should be an interesting fight amongst the individual pilot groups.

 

[PilotGeek]

This law is a step in the right direction.
The next step is to raise the minimum age to 30 thus ensuring two grownups on every flight deck.

 

[Hamburger]

This law is a step in the right direction.
The next step is to raise the minimum age to 30 thus ensuring two grownups on every flight deck.

You didn't consider yourself grown up until you were 30?!

 

[Axel]

You didn't consider yourself grown up until you were 30?!

Growing old is mandatory. Growing up is optional.

Whether you think the increase to 65 is good or bad depends on where you are in the progression of your career. To some it is disaster, to others a relief, and it's all about the perception.

And it is an issue as polarizing (if not as widespread) as the abortion debate and the red/blue debate. Nobody will be convinced to change their opinion.

Shout on.

 

[ASA_Aviator]

We're on different pages about what I'm talking about. Trying to make ends meet on poor salaries. Living paycheck-to-paycheck while paying mortgages, car payments, school loans, raising children, sending them to college, etc.

Having to put your career on the line every 6 months with a FAA physical exam or checkride. Being responsible for the lives of customers, especially during bad weather. Screwed up sleep cycles. Exposure to radiation and who knows what types of mold and other airborne crap in lousy hotels.

Pensions, salaries and work rules dismantled Post 9/11.

I'll give you the ATL ramp though.

Point taken.

I still prefer it to working 9-5. I'll give you that the uncertainty does add a certain "je ne sais quoi" to the whole career...

 

[Poahi]

I have to admit - I'm astounded the regional pilots don't appreciate how much money they lost yesterday. That's where my frustration with ALPA comes from. When the minority controls the majority and the majority loses a few hundred thousand over a single issue, I have to wonder why the pilots have given up as much as ALPA has. I'm pro ALPA, but this is over the top.

 

[Stifler's Mom]

Point taken.

I still prefer it to working 9-5. I'll give you that the uncertainty does add a certain "je ne sais quoi" to the whole career...

Absolutely. I tried 9-5 out of college and it didn't agree with me. I like the changes from day to night, different cities, weekends sometimes etc. when it comes to month-to-month flying. The monotony of an office style job would drive me nuts.

 

[Hamburger]

And it is an issue as polarizing (if not as widespread) as the abortion debate and the red/blue debate.
Shout on.

Politicians change their opinions all the time. It's called Pandering. Those who shout loudest get pandered to.

 

[ifly4u]

So with 65 the law of the land now I think the current hiring boom has legs for another 6 months then things are going to slow way down. It will give the airlines a chance to catch up on staffing before mins start going up, bonuses go away, etc. The so called "pilot shortage" is entering it's last days but for now the music is still playing so my friends make hay while the sun shines. Get in somewhere good cause there's no telling how long you might be stuck.

 

[Hamburger]

I can't wait to see how Kit Darby spins this ********************e sandwich.

 

[SKYWRJGUY]

For shame indeed:

To all those people who feel screwed over, too bad. The only benefit you have for their retiring at 60 is to move up and make more money yourself; when given the chance to do the same they are greedy, regardless of the context of their hiring 20-30 years ago. At that time, they probably were still relying on their 'guaranteed pensions'--guess what? Times change, so move one or wait: when you're 59 1/2 put your papers in and let the guy junior to you move up one (oh, and don't forget to look for insurance and additional income until you can tap SS or other assets). You need not work until that age....but my guess is you will, even though you signed on expecting to retire at 60. Guess AMR will be hiring a bunch soon since APA doesn't believe in 65...

 

[Hamburger]

when given the chance to do the same they are greedy

They were given the chance to screw their fellow pilots out of the opportunities they enjoyed during their careers. Hardly the same thing. Tool. Enjoy your RJ and that type rating you bought. Maybe you'll get to use it some day.

 

[norskman2]

They were given the chance to screw their fellow pilots out of the opportunities they enjoyed during their careers. Hardly the same thing. Tool. Enjoy your RJ and that type rating you bought. Maybe you'll get to use it some day.

Ham,

Don't be such a tool yourself. If you want to argue scope and how ALPA at the majors sold regional pilots down the river, fine. But that's a different fight.

SKYWRJGUY, you're right on the money. If all these whiners were 59 1/2 right now they'd all do the exact same thing. When they turn 59.9, let's see them turn in their resignation to make room for younger pilots, seeing as how they've all got such big hearts.

 

[siucavflight]

Waaa, Waaaaaaaaaa, Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

 

[Hamburger]

As a matter of fact, I will. I have no desire to work until I'm 65 and it's now going to cost me the equivalent of everything I currently own (house, cars, furniture,tools, etc..) to do so.

Someday when you're out of your 152 and actually flying something for a career, you might understand how big of a kick in the teeth you just took.