Age 65 effective today

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InFO 07021 was just issued stating that effective today no 121 pilots have to retire at age 60, and those over age 60 can apply for any 121 job and return to flying. There are some additional restriction, but it now in effect
 

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Do you have a link or some place where mortals like us can find it?

PilotYip - any time for you to get into the left seat on the -9 again? ;-)
 

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incoming!!!!!!
 

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Here it is, but not for me, 65 too soon

InFO​
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Information for Operators​
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U.S. Department InFO 07021
of Transportation DATE 12/13/07​
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Federal Aviation
Administration​
[/FONT][FONT=Arial,Arial]Flight Standards Service
Washington, DC

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An InFO contains valuable information for operators that should help them meet certain administrative, regulatory, or operational requirements with relatively low urgency or impact on safety.​
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Subject:​
[FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]President Today Signed Age 65 Into Law, Affecting Pilots Under Part 121​
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Purpose:​
[FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]This InFO announces the "Fair Treatment for Experienced Pilots Act" (the Act), effective immediately, December 13, 2007, and highlights key provisions of the Act.​
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Background:​
[FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]In November, 2006, the International Civil Aviation Organization (ICAO) revised the maximum age for certain pilots in international operations from age 60 to age 65. Until 12/13/07, the United States, an ICAO member state, limited its pilots operating under Title 14 of the Code of Federal Regulations (14 CFR) part 121 to age 60. Now those pilots may continue until age 65, as specified in the Act.​
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Discussion:​
[FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]Key provisions of the Act include the following:​
  1. • As of 12/13/07, part 121, § 121.383(c), specifying age 60, ceases to be effective.
  2. • A pilot age 60+ acting as pilot in command (PIC) in international operations must be paired with a pilot under age 60 (consistent with the current ICAO requirement).
  3. • In domestic operations both pilots may be age 60+.
  4. • It permits the continued employment of a pilot who reaches age 60 on or after 12/13/07.
  5. • It permits the employment as a new-hire a pilot who reached age 60 before 12/13/07.
  6. • A pilot age 60+ will not be subjected to different, greater, or more frequent medical exams.
  7. • Any pilot age 60+ must hold a first-class medical certificate, renewable on a 6-month cycle.
  8. • Any air carrier employing pilots age 60+ must adjust its training program to ensure such pilots’ skill and judgment continue at acceptable levels.
  9. • Any pilot age 60+ must undergo a line check at 6-month intervals.
  10. • For a pilot age 60+ acting as second in command (SIC), a regularly scheduled simulator evaluation may substitute for a required line check.
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Recommended Action:​
[FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]Directors of safety, directors of operations, chief pilots, trainers, and pilots under part 121 should be aware of the Act and should collaborate immediately in implementing its provisions.
The exact language of the Act can be downloaded at the following public Web site: http://thomas.loc.gov/. In the "Search Bill Text" box click on "Bill Number," enter "HR 4343" and click Search.​
Approved by: AFS-200
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Bill may be signed, however you do not operate under a Bill. You operate under the FARs, they are not changed (yet.......)

AAflyer
 

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pilot shortage comes to a stop for at least 5 more years!
 

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Bill may be signed, however you do not operate under a Bill. You operate under the FARs, they are not changed (yet.......)

AAflyer
Really??? Well, at "my house" we have a guy who is gonna turn 60 on Monday, December 17. He has already been told that he can stay....

However, he didn't bid for January....I guess he'll be on reserve for the month (Ah-ha ha ha ha )
 

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Bill may be signed, however you do not operate under a Bill. You operate under the FARs, they are not changed (yet.......)


AAflyer
Actually, the FARs are changed. The bill specifically states that "On and after the date of enactment of this section, section 121.383(c) of title 14, Code of Federal Regulations, shall cease to be effective." It's a done deal.
 

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Aren't there any airlines with a mandatory retirement age written into the contract?
 

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(1) NONRETROACTIVITY- No person who has attained 60 years of age before the date of enactment of this section may serve as a pilot for an air carrier engaged in covered operations unless--
      • `(A) such person is in the employment of that air carrier in such operations on such date of enactment as a required flight deck crew member; or
About the cause that if you are still with the airline as a FE, i. e. NWA 747 Classic, looks like that pilot can bid back into the Capt's Seat?
 
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I have heard pilots rumble about how the age 65 rule is going to screw over the Jr pilots. Well, Immediately it is not going to mean a fast moving seniority list. But you need to think of the long term. Lets say you compare the prospects of pay for a 5 year quick seniority list now, verses your additional 5 years of pay at your highest play. Look at that. Oh and think of what you would be doing from age 60 to 65 if you were not flying your job you have now......airline pilot. I know a few guys who ended up flying semi-trucks after they turned 60 because they had nothing else......healthcare and needed a bump to their retirement. So think about it.
 

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I have heard pilots rumble about how the age 65 rule is going to screw over the Jr pilots. Well, Immediately it is not going to mean a fast moving seniority list. But you need to think of the long term. Lets say you compare the prospects of pay for a 5 year quick seniority list now, verses your additional 5 years of pay at your highest play. Look at that. Oh and think of what you would be doing from age 60 to 65 if you were not flying your job you have now......airline pilot. I know a few guys who ended up flying semi-trucks after they turned 60 because they had nothing else......healthcare and needed a bump to their retirement. So think about it.
Sigh... This argument has been made countless times before, and it just demonstrates that too many pilots are apparently incapable of doing simple math. Example:

Age 60 retirement: 30-year old legacy FO upgrades and has 30 years in the left seat at Captain payrates

Age 65 retirement: 30-year old legacy FO has his upgrade delayed by 5 years because of age change, now upgrades at age 35, and gets...30 years in the left seat at Captain rates!!!!!

This change does not give you five additional years in the left seat. It gives you 5 additional years at the regionals or 5 additional years in the right seat. If you decide to still retire at age 60, then you'll have 5 fewer years in the left seat!
 

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Sigh... This argument has been made countless times before, and it just demonstrates that too many pilots are apparently incapable of doing simple math. Example:

Age 60 retirement: 30-year old legacy FO upgrades and has 30 years in the left seat at Captain payrates

Age 65 retirement: 30-year old legacy FO has his upgrade delayed by 5 years because of age change, now upgrades at age 35, and gets...30 years in the left seat at Captain rates!!!!!

This change does not give you five additional years in the left seat. It gives you 5 additional years at the regionals or 5 additional years in the right seat. If you decide to still retire at age 60, then you'll have 5 fewer years in the left seat!
Bingo!

And think of how many guys/gals will medical out prior to 65... Its like playing the odds in Vegas.
 
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