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BigMotorToter

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I thought the term "RAT" was very appropriate. Maybe this could be the new nick name for the greedy "RATS" flying past 60.

I copied this off another site. Don't know the validity of it, but since this is FI.com, what the hell.

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University of Virginia Rat Study

A study by University of Virginia researchers released November 2006 is probably most relevant to pilots who are debating the idea of working past age 60.

The researchers reported that shifting the time cycle six hours once a week for up to 8 weeks hastened the death of elderly rats but was generally not fatal to younger rats.

According to a WebMD article reporting the study:

53% of elderly rats put on an advanced-time schedule were dead after eight weeks, compared with only 17% of the elderly rats on a normal schedule.

Advancing the rats' schedules was more lethal than delaying them say Alex J. Davidson, PhD, Gene D. Block, PhD, and colleagues in an article in the Nov. 7 issue of Current Biology.

"The dramatic differences in morbidity associated with phase advances of the biological clock raise important issues about the safety of … rotating shift work and the potential long-term health consequences for airline crews regularly crossing time zones," Davidson and colleagues conclude.

The researchers didn't start out studying jet lag. They were working on a different study when they noticed older rats tended to die when their time schedules were advanced.

Davidson and colleagues took groups of young and old rats and shifted their time zones once a week. One group had their schedules advanced by six hours, while another had their schedules delayed by six hours. A third group stayed on their normal time.

Eight weeks later, there was no difference among the young rats.

But for elderly rats, the difference was remarkable. Only 17% of the normal-time rats had died. But 32% of the delayed-schedule rats were dead, and a whopping 53% of the advanced-schedule rats had expired.

Stress did not seem to be a factor, as the dead animals did not have high levels of stress-related hormones.

Exactly what did kill the rats isn't clear. Davidson and colleagues say sleep deprivation or disruption of the immune system may have been to blame.

Whatever the reason, the researchers say upsetting the internal time clock can have serious health consequences -- and these consequences may be far worse for those getting on in years.

Davidson is currently with Morehouse School of Medicine in Atlanta.

Source:
Jet Lag Proves Deadly in Rat Study - November 6/06 - WebMD

Related:
Jetlag 'can damage your health' - November 6/06 - BBC
 
Rats are not humans. In other studies there is no support of a higher risk with pilots between the ages of 60 and 65 compared with those below 60.
 
BigMotorToter - Their are a lot of regional pilots and folks junior to you that are suffering because you are ahead of them on the seniority list - will you please quit your job so they can have it. Its very unfair of you to earn your pay check as long as you have.
Think of all the GA flight instructors that are looking to start their careers... I know you'll do the right thing though, and walk off your job at 60... right...
 
Reality?

BigMotorToter - Their are a lot of regional pilots and folks junior to you that are suffering because you are ahead of them on the seniority list - will you please quit your job so they can have it. Its very unfair of you to earn your pay check as long as you have.
Think of all the GA flight instructors that are looking to start their careers... I know you'll do the right thing though, and walk off your job at 60... right...
Hey this is a pilot board stop dealing in reality
 
Hey this is a pilot board stop dealing in reality

Do you old guys have no life outside of flying you want to enjoy, no kids, grandkids, golf, fishing, hot young mistress, etc?

What will you regret more on your deathbed in a few short years? Not giving your golden years to your POS airline, or not getting a chance to enjoy the things that are truly important in life?

The Me generation is very aptly named. Have some class and fade out.
 
BigMotorToter - Their are a lot of regional pilots and folks junior to you that are suffering because you are ahead of them on the seniority list - will you please quit your job so they can have it. Its very unfair of you to earn your pay check as long as you have.

I'm sure he would love to move on. Unfortunately, he has been slowed down considerably by the geezers who wish to outstay their welcome in this industry.

Catch a clue, bozo. Oh, wait. You're senile. Sorry.
 
I'm sure he would love to move on. Unfortunately, he has been slowed down considerably by the geezers who wish to outstay their welcome in this industry.

Catch a clue, bozo. Oh, wait. You're senile. Sorry.

senile... hahaha, I'll bet I'm 20 years your junior. I just happen to be one of the folks that sees the glass half full in this situation. You can walk around blaming senior folks all you want, but in the end, you'll still change nothing jke406.
 
senile... hahaha, I'll bet I'm 20 years your junior. I just happen to be one of the folks that sees the glass half full in this situation. You can walk around blaming senior folks all you want, but in the end, you'll still change nothing jke406.

I know better than to think I'll change anything.

Go Gophers!
 
How is it that the "pro 65" crowd is against mandatory retirement at 60, but they are perfectly OK with forcing retirement at 65? You are for age discrimination and against it at the same time.

I also want to hear from the "pro 65" ALPA pilots on their feelings on the union going against the will of the pilots in supporting the change. Do you think it was moral/ethical for ALPA to do what it did?
 
Pos?

Do you old guys have no life outside of flying you want to enjoy, no kids, grandkids, golf, fishing, hot young mistress, etc?

What will you regret more on your deathbed in a few short years? Not giving your golden years to your POS airline, or not getting a chance to enjoy the things that are truly important in life?

The Me generation is very aptly named. Have some class and fade out.
Are you calling my airline a POS? Are you a complete judge of POS?
 
According to a WebMD article reporting the study:

53% of elderly rats put on an advanced-time schedule were dead after eight weeks, compared with only 17% of the elderly rats on a normal schedule.

Advancing the rats' schedules was more lethal than delaying them say Alex J. Davidson, PhD, Gene D. Block, PhD, and colleagues in an article in the Nov. 7 issue of Current Biology.

"The dramatic differences in morbidity associated with phase advances of the biological clock raise important issues about the safety of … rotating shift work and the potential long-term health consequences for airline crews regularly crossing time zones," Davidson and colleagues conclude.

..... don't worry.... if the study is right, 53% of those who stay past 60 will be dead in 8 weeks......:rolleyes:
 
How is it that the "pro 65" crowd is against mandatory retirement at 60, but they are perfectly OK with forcing retirement at 65? You are for age discrimination and against it at the same time.

I also want to hear from the "pro 65" ALPA pilots on their feelings on the union going against the will of the pilots in supporting the change. Do you think it was moral/ethical for ALPA to do what it did?

Carl..... there is no "moral/ethical" about it..... Airline pilots do what is best for themselves.....I support the change of age 60, but the fact of the matter is many of those who now support it, didn't support it until they lost their pension..... It is all about me in this business....

The suckers are those who actually believe that ALPA and all of it's members actually care about each other.... this issue proves that to be false.....
 

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