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[last call]

I have an incident in my file. A gear up while being a safety pilot actually. I am just wondering if I have a snowball's chance in he!! at flying for a regional or if I need to go back to school and be a bartender? Any ideas?

 

[Flying_Corporal]

gear up incident

I have an incident in my file. A gear up while being a safety pilot actually. I am just wondering if I have a snowball's chance in he!! at flying for a regional or if I need to go back to school and be a bartender? Any ideas?

Call local FSDO and ask them to check your record while you´re on the phone with the inspector. Tell them you have an interview coming up and that you´re not sure what to put on an application (accident, incident, or occurence). Whatever he sees will be seen by your future airline.

Some regianals are desperate for pilots, so this might be as significant as you think now...

Hope this helps. FC

 

[wheelsup]

How were you at fault for ensuring the gear was down? If the guy landed with the hood off you can't be logging time because their hood was off. Therefore, you aren't pic? Or am I totally off base here?

Also, I've known a few people that got jobs with gear incidents. I wouldn't sweat it. You might not get your pick off the bat, but I wouldn't give up.

I knew one fellow who ran an aircraft out of gas and landed in a field. He's at eagle now...

~wheelsup

 

[last call]

Thanks for the advice. When I originally went to talk to the feds they said it would go to my cfi certificate instead of my commrcial. Thier postions was since I am a cfi, regardless of who was flying or what was going on is that you are always a cfi.
So I guess be careful if you are deadheading!

 

[Kaman]

Hello,
I know of a guy that had to do a 709 ride for a very similar occurance. He recently was hired by a regional. I think that it's not uncommon, and the best course of action would be to put a positive spin on the incident, and most important. What did you learn from it.

Regards,

ex-Navy Rotorhead

 

[front9]

...on the flip side you'll make more money as a bartender

 

[XJslave]

Go to school, the airlines SUCK!! Get a real job that you can make decent money.

 

[Jeff Helgeson]

You must be some kind of expert on the subject...

How were you at fault for ensuring the gear was down? If the guy landed with the hood off you can't be logging time because their hood was off. Therefore, you aren't pic? Or am I totally off base here?

Also, I've known a few people that got jobs with gear incidents. I wouldn't sweat it. You might not get your pick off the bat, but I wouldn't give up.

I knew one fellow who ran an aircraft out of gas and landed in a field. He's at eagle now...

~wheelsup

...with a name like wheelsup!!!

It all depends on how the FAA divided the responsibility. I have heard of an ATP pilot in the back seat of an airplane get blamed for an accident with two CFIs at the controls. The crux was the ATP had the most experience and should have stopped the CFIs, eventhough he was telling them not to do what they were doing.

 

[Jeff Helgeson]

Better yet, request a copy of your record from OK City

Call local FSDO and ask them to check your record while you´re on the phone with the inspector. Tell them you have an interview coming up and that you´re not sure what to put on an application (accident, incident, or occurence). Whatever he sees will be seen by your future airline.

Some regianals are desperate for pilots, so this might be as significant as you think now...

Hope this helps. FC

Order a hard copy just like the airlines. You should be upfront in the interview process. You are more likeluy to not get a job for being dishonest than for the gear up as a safety-pilot CFI!

 

[Vik]

I've been told before that even if you're in the back of a Cessna 172 for example, and you're a CFI, but the two pilots up front are Commercial, you doze off, and wake up from the sound of the plane landing gear up for example, you're responsible for being the highest rated/certificated pilot on the plane. Crappy policy if you ask me.

 

[FlyChicaga]

http://www.jetcareers.com/forms/faa_file.pdf

Try sending that in, and see what comes up. You'll know where to go from then, by knowing exactly what it says. Be sure to disclose this on all applications, however. Trying to cover it up or play it down will be considered by many as downright lying to the interview board, which will definitely mean you have no chance. By owning up to the issue, and explaining what you learned from it, many will see that in a more positive light and give you a better chance.

Best of luck in the application process.

 

[IHaveAPension]

http://www.jetcareers.com/forms/faa_file.pdf

Try sending that in, and see what comes up. You'll know where to go from then, by knowing exactly what it says. Be sure to disclose this on all applications, however. Trying to cover it up or play it down will be considered by many as downright lying to the interview board, which will definitely mean you have no chance. By owning up to the issue, and explaining what you learned from it, many will see that in a more positive light and give you a better chance.

Best of luck in the application process.

Hey Chicaga, how much crap have your recieved for you internet blog site? I liked your earlier website from a few years ago when you posted a picture of yourself at halloween going out dressed in a pilots uniform!!!

 

[pilotyip]

Spoken like a true box hauler

 

[boxjockey]

Penision,

You have to be the biggest flamer I've ever seen. What are you're other screennames? Ilikeitintheass, pleasemommynotthehoseagain? Go find somewhere else to play you pathetic assclown.

box

 

[HMR]

I knew one fellow who ran an aircraft out of gas and landed in a field. He's at eagle now...

~wheelsup

Another reason my boss won't fly commercial. Tell that guy "thanks" for the job security.

 

[crashpad]

United will hire you if you have boobs or speak with a thick dialect....no, that was the last decade....nevermind.

 

[FlyChicaga]

Hey Chicaga, how much crap have your recieved for you internet blog site? I liked your earlier website from a few years ago when you posted a picture of yourself at halloween going out dressed in a pilots uniform!!!

What, am I supposed to care what you think? Some internet scumbag flamer? I'd rather get ridiculed for my enthusiasm and eccentricity for the rest of my career than spend one minute in your world. At least you know you won't be lonely; there are plenty of other flamer assholes like you out there to hang with. Misery loves company!

 

[upndsky]

Back to the original question. I had a gear incident once and took a 709 ride. No problems.

As far as records go, the airline won't know by doing a standard PRIA request, UNLESS your gear-up also resulted in some kind of certificate action, like a suspension or revokation. PRIA does not list accident or incidents, but does list certificate actions. The only way an airline will find out about your gear-up is by filing a freedom-of-information-act request with the FAA to obtain your complete pilot records and I doubt that many do that without good cause.

Having said that, DON'T HIDE IT on the application or interview IF they ask, which they will. Also, if it's your fault, take responsibility, explain what you learned from the incident and how it's made you a better and safer pilot. Don't downplay it and be sencere. We have all done stupid things in an airplane and recruiters know it. They just want to see if you were able to learn from you mistakes.

In my case, I was offered jobs at 3 airlines, had interviews lined up at 3 more (and they knew about the incident), and was only turned down by 1, although I don't know if the incident was a factor.

I'll also add that they want to see some time between the incident and when you interview, I would say anywhere from six months to a year. They want to make sure that this was an isolated event and not some type of pattern. If this happened recently, I would wait about six months before applying anywhere.

 

[last call]

Thanx for the advice.

I have sent away for the faa files. Also since it was an incident and not an accident do you have to list it, if an application only asks for accidents and says nothing about incidents? Not that I am trying to hide anything, just that everyone knows an accident is different than an incident.

I will know more when I get my files but it went against my CFI and no violation or certificate action was taken.