Advice on Lear Type

[EX_CV580FR8Dawg]

Just looking for some solid advice from some salty or crusty veterans in the Lear, or anyone for that matter

I currently fly for a on- demand 135 charter operation in which we fly mostly freight and the occasional pax. We operate a few Lear 24s and on- demand ops are rather or more to the point, frustratingly slow as most of you are aware of.

Our Company isn't in the best of financial straights, and cannot afford to up- grade anyone at this point, much less pay anyone captain's salary.

My questions to anyone are: If I were to get a type, would I be able to log PIC time on the legs I fly that I am the sole manipulator of the controls (even though I am not a company PIC? ) As far as I am aware of, one can log the time as PIC if they are rated in the aircraft and at the controls( please correct me if I am wrong on this matter).

In addition, after earning your type in the 20 series, that provides you the flexibility of operating as PIC in every Lear except the 45 and 60, correct? Also, having the type would afford me some options with other Lear operators, providing our company doesn't fair well in the future

Lastly, our company works through Simuflite down in Dallas, are there any other companies that offer type rating in the 20 series.

Current times: ~2,400 hrs; 1,100+ ME; 1,000+ turbine.

Any and all suggestions, comments and advice are greatly appreciated and welcomed.

 

[avbug]

The Learjet type will get you the 23, 24, 24, 28, 29, 35, 36, and 55. Separate types are required for the 31, 45, and 60.

 

[varicam]

LR-JET type rating covers all Lears except 45 and 60. AC 61-89E is the reference.

 

[EX_CV580FR8Dawg]

That's exactly what I thought...thanks guys.....and gals?

 

[Bill Mostellar]

Just looking for some solid advice from some salty or crusty veterans in the Lear, or anyone for that matter

I'll take the latter, thank you.

Where do you don training? Some operations offer an add-on type rating to an annual recurrent. They typically have this set up for the military guys who fly a civilian aircraft, but I'm certain they'd entertain an offer. You would have to figurea way to get time off, etc. but it shouldn't be more than a few days.

I wish you success!

 

[avbug]

I believe after reviewing the AC, that I was mistaken. The 31 is shown as pertaining to the Lrjet type. I could have sworn it was a different type. One more value of a board such as this.

 

[LearLove]

Yes but No

"My questions to anyone are: If I were to get a type, would I be able to log PIC time on the legs I fly that I am the sole manipulator of the controls (even though I am not a company PIC? ) As far as I am aware of, one can log the time as PIC if they are rated in the aircraft and at the controls( please correct me if I am wrong on this matter)."

As far as getting the type my opinion is go for it as long as you got the dough or they give you a good deal. The lear will go along way because one type give you the ability to fly alot of lears (although most employers will want training and experiance in specific models).

Anyway, reguarding the PIC logging, yes it is legal and this has been covered many time here. The census on this board and my opinion is that yiou shouldn't log PIC unless you are the PIC not just the guy at the controls. Its going to lead to awkward moments in a interview when you've got SIC as your company position but show PIC time in the aircraft your company pays you to fly as SIC. Now like I said it is legal, but the interviewer might say "how did you act as pic when you were SIC" and you answer with "well the regs say the if I'm the flying pilot and I'm typed in the aircraft bla bla bla...... I can log PIC" then the interviewer looks up and says "so you were the one at the controls but were not the pilot who signed for the aircraft and not the pilot charged by the company with making the overall desisions" then your like "ahhhh uhmmmm I don't know, I just want a job"

Believe me I know where your comming from, I'm currently downgraded in an aircraft that I'm typed in. Yes I could log PIC on the legs I fly but I don't as its not my airplane and I didn't sign for it nor does my company expect me to be PIC.

Again I'd love to log turb PIC for Fedex or SWA seeing as I got cut off with only a few hundred hours (and need 1000 or more) as Capt when Mr. Bebee/Beebe (sp?) and the rest of Airways decided we should be punnished for not jumping all over J4J, but thats discussion is for another time.

 

[CorpLearDriver]

I might fit into both catagories, but I won't admit it.

First, the question of logging time. Having you type allows you to long the time as PIC if it is a part 91 flight. However, to legally log the time, even if you are sole manipulator of the controls, on the 135 legs, you'll need an 8410 showing you as PIC with current 135.293, .297 and .299 checks completed, which your POI has bought off on and you must be "designated" as PIC. The company designates the PIC of 135 flights not the crew. This is an operations issue as far as the Feds are concerned.

Second, the LR-JET type covers the 20, 30 (including the 31) and 55 series aircraft. The LR-45 and LR-60 are two seperate types for good reason. Now, even though the LR-JET type is good for all those airplanes, no 135 operator can use you in any unless you have had differences trying. Some will do a LR-35 recurrent with differences in the LR-55 if they operate both. The LR-31 avionics sweet all but like the first 20 models, takes a day to study and get use to if you haven't seen it before. And there are considerable differences between the 20 and 30 series aircraft that need to be covered if you fly both.

Schools for the LR-JET are available from Simiflite, FlightSafety and Simcom/Pan Am. Any of these will meet the insurance company requirements of annual simulator training. Remember though, the cheapest isn't always the best. (I'm partial and bias myself) You'll need to prepare well in advance where ever you decide to go.

Good luck

Just looking for some solid advice from some salty or crusty veterans in the Lear, or anyone for that matter