Acro in Standard Category...

[bagasticks]

I see we have met the 'flight info section" of the aerobatic community. You guys probably couldn't compete your way out of a paper bag but could definately take first place in sitting on the ground and arguing over how to "say things right".

Only here would people take a thread like this about one of the best parts of flying (which a majority of the people on this site haven't ever experienced)and start bickering about how to say it. What, have you guys sat in the back seat of a citabria and watched someone roll it once? And now you're all experts on Acro-Aero-Flippo-Rollo?

This is starting to sound like a part 141 oral on acro given by a dude with 5 hours in a decathlon.

Perhaps we can start another thread about people who say Christian Eagle instead of Christen Eagle. Or WAY-co instead of WAH-co. Or Pitot instead of PI-toe tube.

I thought perhaps this would go in the direction of watching people do some sharp stuff in airplanes we never imagined would be on the airshow circuit.

Or maybe how yes, Luscombes and Cubs and Taylorcrafts can be aerobated in the Standard category, but unless you watched the plane being restored first hand, and can be sure that luscombe doesn't have nasty surprises tucked deep within the metal you can't ever inspect, perhaps you should just leave the old gals to an easy life in retirement. Especially if you can't garuntee you won't screw up a simple loop or roll. (or get some good instruction)

(sorry to be annoyed, I just thought if anywhere on this site the Aerobat section would be free of the whiny spillout from the regionals section. I guess not!)

Amen. . . . .


Men-n-Tights:
save the "proper english" lesson for the proper english, which I am not and neither are you. I am one of the idiots that clicked on this thread thinking some non-smart ass might actually answer the man's question as it struck my curiousity.

 

[stearmann4]

Dear fellow Pilots,

I hadn't considered standard or utility category aircraft being placed in the restricted category for the purpose of aerobatic demonstrations. Thanks for the explanation. For the most part the forum is a convenient clearing house of knowledge I'm too lazy to research myself.

As for my blatant and inexcusable use of the word "acro." I can assure you I am fully aware of the difference between acrobatics and aerobatics. Indeed if I were to engage in acrobatics, I would render myself tight wearing ball sniffer. It was entirely inappropriate to use slang in the presence of such scholarly and experienced aviators.

However, in order to broaden your aviation knowledge, I suggest joining the IAC, where you'll associated with a series of verbally ignorant pilots such as myself. Unfortunately you'll find we use "acro" with frequent and wreckless abandon to describe in brevity our chosen avocation. Should you be fortunate enough to spend some time in the company of aerobatic plots (not the aforementioned 7ECA CFI), you'll find they do alot of "acro". I cut my teeth on formation acro in a T-6. In fact I learned acro in a Clipped Wing Cub, our Stearman is a suitable acro mount, and (gasp), the Acrosport I once owned was joy to fly. Not to mention it's sibling the Acroduster. The helicopter I fly for a living...not so adept at acro.

With that, thanks to those that provided the explanation. I'll tuck it away in my quiver of trivia. To those of you gracious enough to correct my grammar, I'm afraid I'm a lost cause. I am forever humbled, and will keep your guidance in mind as I go practice some acro in my Pitts.

Sincerely,

Mike-

 

[huronip]

Amen. . . . .


Men-n-Tights:
save the "proper english" lesson for the proper english, which I am not and neither are you. I am one of the idiots that clicked on this thread thinking some non-smart ass might actually answer the man's question as it struck my curiousity.

You are a professional pilot aren't you? Shouldn't you know the proper terminology that goes along with it? Moron.

 

[Waldom]

Huronip, when I was a young, inexperienced pilot like you, I had a similar attitude. I eventually grew out of it. Hope the same happens for you.

 

[bagasticks]

You are a professional pilot aren't you? Shouldn't you know the proper terminology that goes along with it? Moron.

If we were talking about LNAV + V vs. LPV, yes i would agree proper terminology is probably important. but the guy asked a question about aero/acro in a particularly certificated aircraft and as always a few "self-licking ice cream cones" piped in to let this guy know how smart they are. . I'm the moron?

whatever tool.

 

[VNugget]

N500RA: Bob Hoover's Shrike Commander
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Airworthiness

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Engine Manufacturer LYCOMING Classification Experimental Engine Model IO-540 SER Category Exhibition A/W Date 05/29/1980

N4993W: Commander 114 that Bob Hoover did an acro (oops!) demo in. Maybe the N number has been reassigned?
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Airworthiness

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Engine Manufacturer LYCOMING Classification Standard Engine Model IO-540 SER Category Normal A/W Date 05/22/1978

N401ST: Columbia that Sean Tucker uses for upset training

Airworthiness

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Engine Manufacturer CONT MOTOR Classification Experimental Engine Model TSIO-550-C Category Exhibition A/W Date 06/12/2007

 

[Waldom]

It is possible to move an aircraft in and out of a catagory.

As an example, I worked for a company that would place their DC-3s in the Restricted catagory for spray season and place them back in the Transport catagory at the end of the season.

Once back in Transport catagory, the airplanes were operated on 121 and 135 certificates.

 

[Fred Rogers]

I once got a really awesome ride in an ACRO Sport II.

 

[A-Track]

From the AIM: Acrobatic Flight - An intentional Maneuver involving abrupt change.... blaa blaa.

Before you hang a guy out to dry for proper terminology you might want to look it up.

 

[belchfire]

stearmann4, that was a nice response. I once discovered why a Stearman has a stick that is the size of a Louisville Slugger-it has to be that strong to drag the thing around!

One of the best rides that I ever performed rapid changes in attitude in was the two seat Bucker-what a nice airplane! If you ever get the chance, do it!

Hoover's show in that Shrike was stellar, wasn't it?

 

[stearmann4]

stearmann4, that was a nice response. quote]

Belch,

That means alot coming from a freight dog! I'm always amazed at the ridicule some people subject themselves to on a public forum. I guess the offenders must all assume we're mostly naive' student pilots.

Yes, rolling a Stearman is most always a two fisted afair..but don't ya just love it? I just spent 2 hours yesterday in a T-6 brushing up and almost forgot how nicely the controls are balanced in contrast.

I've heard the Buckers are nice little bi-planes, maybe for retirement.

Mike-

 

[belchfire]

I used to be quite the airport bum when I was single. I was in the Pacific NW at the time and there were so many fun little fly-ins...Concrete, Orcas Island, the NWAAC in Vancover WA, Prosser...rode in all kinds of rightious old machines and a few homebuilts. All kinds of interesting attitudes. The only thing that ever completely creeped me out was tailslides. Never did one myself, just rode along. Used to love doing hammerheads though!

Now everything is smooth and straight and level. The most fun I've had was high altitude upset training...

 

[TXDA2000]

Definitions

You wont find the true differences between the two terms in a dictionary, as they are part of aviation lore.

Seems some of us forgot.

Normal people fly acro. Pr@cks attempt to fly aerobatics.

edit. Before all you aerobatic pilots jump down my throat, add to my profile S2A-B, 8KCAB, Eagle, RV4, SGS 1-26 (fine acro ride), and my one and only airshow stead, Luscombe 8A.

 

[Mungusaurus]

You can do acro in any airplane you feel like. The placards are for liability reasons from the manufacturer.
Is it smart to do aerobatics in a normal category airplane? Probably not. Is it possible? absolutely. I seem to remember some hotshot rolling a 707 at some point in time, and as far as I am aware that airplane was certainly not certified at +6 and -3.

Just my nickle.

Oh and to you aero people.
Acroduster
Acrosport
Grob twin Acro
ETC ETC ETC.

Lighten up.