Acey Mediation

[atlcrjdriver]

Any word on how todays meeting went with the mediator?

 

[PCL_128]

How about calling your status rep and asking him?

 

[~~~^~~~]

Yeah, they just called me. 25% raise, retro pay, a 1 for 3 trip and duty rig, one list with Delta based on Mohawk Allegheny protocol, Delta's Preferential Bidding system and a bankruptcy proof letter of credit for A plan retirement based on 75% of your highest year's pay (even if it was with another employer other than ASA - written by Michelle Burns) with a 5% B plan match, $5.17 per diem rate, $3.00 night over ride and $19.00 international, health care with no co-pay to age 78, loss of license insurance and valet parking. We had to give a little and agree to concurrent currency on the ATR, CL65-2B19 though 34. Bob Arnold was running around the building screaming "Skippy told the truth - we really are the best paid Regional airline."

Duane Woerth said that ALPA's failure of representation has been justified by the ground breaking contract at Atlantic Southeast Airlines. To show his continued good faith, he went ahead and signed the deal without member ratification.

Kit Darby already has a $549.00 package up on his web site with a ASA Interview Prep, Secrets to Acing your ASA Interview and Recipies for Success from those who eat Church's Fried Chicken. If you are a prior member you only have to pay $548.85 for the web only version.

Er - no. Haven't really heard a thing.... PCL has the right answer.

 

[Ganja60Heavy]

Yeah, they just called me. 25% raise, retro pay, a 1 for 3 trip and duty rig, one list with Delta based on Mohawk Allegheny protocol, Delta's Preferential Bidding system and a bankruptcy proof letter of credit for A plan retirement based on 75% of your highest year's pay (even if it was with another employer other than ASA - written by Michelle Burns) with a 5% B plan match, $5.17 per diem rate, $3.00 night over ride and $19.00 international, health care with no co-pay to age 78, loss of license insurance and valet parking. We had to give a little and agree to concurrent currency on the ATR, CL65-2B19 though 34. Bob Arnold was running around the building screaming "Skippy told the truth - we really are the best paid Regional airline."

Duane Woerth said that ALPA's failure of representation has been justified by the ground breaking contract at Atlantic Southeast Airlines. To show his continued good faith, he went ahead and signed the deal without member ratification.

Kit Darby already has a $549.00 package up on his web site with a ASA Interview Prep, Secrets to Acing your ASA Interview and Recipies for Success from those who eat Church's Fried Chicken. If you are a prior member you only have to pay $548.85 for the web only version.

Er - no. Haven't really heard a thing.... PCL has the right answer.

LOL! That's some funny chit!

 

[jstyle13]

Yeah, they just called me. 25% raise, retro pay, a 1 for 3 trip and duty rig, one list with Delta based on Mohawk Allegheny protocol, Delta's Preferential Bidding system and a bankruptcy proof letter of credit for A plan retirement based on 75% of your highest year's pay (even if it was with another employer other than ASA - written by Michelle Burns) with a 5% B plan match, $5.17 per diem rate, $3.00 night over ride and $19.00 international, health care with no co-pay to age 78, loss of license insurance and valet parking. We had to give a little and agree to concurrent currency on the ATR, CL65-2B19 though 34. Bob Arnold was running around the building screaming "Skippy told the truth - we really are the best paid Regional airline."

hahaha!!!

Yea that's a make or break item for me. I told Wilson polling that was number 2 on my list right behind retro!

 

[Turkey Shoot]

Yeah, they just called me. 25% raise, retro pay, a 1 for 3 trip and duty rig, one list with Delta based on Mohawk Allegheny protocol, Delta's Preferential Bidding system and a bankruptcy proof letter of credit for A plan retirement based on 75% of your highest year's pay (even if it was with another employer other than ASA - written by Michelle Burns) with a 5% B plan match, $5.17 per diem rate, $3.00 night over ride and $19.00 international, health care with no co-pay to age 78, loss of license insurance and valet parking. We had to give a little and agree to concurrent currency on the ATR, CL65-2B19 though 34. Bob Arnold was running around the building screaming "Skippy told the truth - we really are the best paid Regional airline."

Duane Woerth said that ALPA's failure of representation has been justified by the ground breaking contract at Atlantic Southeast Airlines. To show his continued good faith, he went ahead and signed the deal without member ratification.

Kit Darby already has a $549.00 package up on his web site with a ASA Interview Prep, Secrets to Acing your ASA Interview and Recipies for Success from those who eat Church's Fried Chicken. If you are a prior member you only have to pay $548.85 for the web only version.

Er - no. Haven't really heard a thing.... PCL has the right answer.

Dude, you need to take a second job writing for The Onion. The preceding needs to be saved in the sig line. It's simply to good to fall into the Dustbin of History @ FI.

 

[Gr82Aviate]

Yeah, they just called me. 25% raise, retro pay, a 1 for 3 trip and duty rig, one list with Delta based on Mohawk Allegheny protocol, Delta's Preferential Bidding system and a bankruptcy proof letter of credit for A plan retirement based on 75% of your highest year's pay (even if it was with another employer other than ASA - written by Michelle Burns) with a 5% B plan match, $5.17 per diem rate, $3.00 night over ride and $19.00 international, health care with no co-pay to age 78, loss of license insurance and valet parking. We had to give a little and agree to concurrent currency on the ATR, CL65-2B19 though 34. Bob Arnold was running around the building screaming "Skippy told the truth - we really are the best paid Regional airline."

Duane Woerth said that ALPA's failure of representation has been justified by the ground breaking contract at Atlantic Southeast Airlines. To show his continued good faith, he went ahead and signed the deal without member ratification.

Kit Darby already has a $549.00 package up on his web site with a ASA Interview Prep, Secrets to Acing your ASA Interview and Recipies for Success from those who eat Church's Fried Chicken. If you are a prior member you only have to pay $548.85 for the web only version.

Er - no. Haven't really heard a thing.... PCL has the right answer.

The saddest thing about this(for us regionals) is that this sounds so far from ever happening, and yet the pilots at UPS just signed a contract that gave them improvements similar to those you just listed...

 

[atlcrashpad]

Yeah, they just called me. 25% raise, retro pay, a 1 for 3 trip and duty rig, one list with Delta based on Mohawk Allegheny protocol, Delta's Preferential Bidding system and a bankruptcy proof letter of credit for A plan retirement based on 75% of your highest year's pay (even if it was with another employer other than ASA - written by Michelle Burns) with a 5% B plan match, $5.17 per diem rate, $3.00 night over ride and $19.00 international, health care with no co-pay to age 78, loss of license insurance and valet parking. We had to give a little and agree to concurrent currency on the ATR, CL65-2B19 though 34. Bob Arnold was running around the building screaming "Skippy told the truth - we really are the best paid Regional airline."

Duane Woerth said that ALPA's failure of representation has been justified by the ground breaking contract at Atlantic Southeast Airlines. To show his continued good faith, he went ahead and signed the deal without member ratification.

Kit Darby already has a $549.00 package up on his web site with a ASA Interview Prep, Secrets to Acing your ASA Interview and Recipies for Success from those who eat Church's Fried Chicken. If you are a prior member you only have to pay $548.85 for the web only version.

Er - no. Haven't really heard a thing.... PCL has the right answer.

Now dat bez sum funny shiite... Bouyyyyyyyyyyyy...

 

[TWA Dude]

Sorry for the thread ressurrection and hijacking, but I just had to tell atlcrashpad that we had Flav O Flav on my flight yesterday LAX-PHX. Didn't see where he was connecting to. Friendly guy, signed autographs, posed for pics, and shook his humble pilot's hand (that would be me). Word-up!

 

[zawillif]

The saddest thing about this(for us regionals) is that this sounds so far from ever happening, and yet the pilots at UPS just signed a contract that gave them improvements similar to those you just listed...

That is why UPS is a better job and people should be leaving this job for more jobs like that.

 

[79%N1]

ASA AINT UPS, FEDEX, CONTINENTAL, AIRTRAN,FRONTIER, or anybody like that!!!!!

For crying out loud, we are a darn regional....that feeds a bankrupt mainline carrier. Lets be more reasonable with our expectations.

 

[AsaLossPaywAlpa]

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[SSDD]

Careful there 79%,

You just posted something with a hint of common sense. You may be lumped with the likes of Joe Merchant

 

[Peter Griffin]

Yeah, they just called me. 25% raise, retro pay, a 1 for 3 trip and duty rig, one list with Delta based on Mohawk Allegheny protocol, Delta's Preferential Bidding system and a bankruptcy proof letter of credit for A plan retirement based on 75% of your highest year's pay (even if it was with another employer other than ASA - written by Michelle Burns) with a 5% B plan match, $5.17 per diem rate, $3.00 night over ride and $19.00 international, health care with no co-pay to age 78, loss of license insurance and valet parking. We had to give a little and agree to concurrent currency on the ATR, CL65-2B19 though 34

And the union votes it down! Just say NO to valet parking WITHOUT car detailing while you're gone!

VOTED YES - 100% CAR DETAILING

 

[Exskydiverdrivr]

And the union votes it down! Just say NO to valet parking WITHOUT car detailing while you're gone!

VOTED YES - 100% CAR DETAILING

And if they don't put one of those car freshener pine cone things on the mirror, (for that ATL fresh smell) - ask the mediator to be released immediately!!!!

 

[av8er2]

Sure sounds like ASA mgt. is getting their way. The posts around here are sounding like the pilots are scared to lose their wonderful jobs.

Expectations are getting lower. Just what mgt. wants.

 

[zawillif]

Nah I'm not scared I'm just saying you can't expect a UPS type contract when you fly regional jets for a regional airline. Does that mean take anything management gives to us? No. But there has to be a middle ground. If you want the UPS contract with full retro and all the extras then you gotta go to UPS.

 

[sweptback]

Nah I'm not scared I'm just saying you can't expect a UPS type contract when you fly regional jets for a regional airline. Does that mean take anything management gives to us? No. But there has to be a middle ground. If you want the UPS contract with full retro and all the extras then you gotta go to UPS.

ExpressJet got full retro, as did many regionals before them.

 

[zawillif]

I stand corrected.

 

[Palerider957]

"Regional" airline? I remember going coast-to-coast four times in four days. Throw in Canada, Mexico, Bahammas, Turcs, Jamaica...Just what region is ASA operating in? Oh, I got it...the North American, Mexican, and Carribean region....

This sounds a lot like the Delta "domestic" routes to me, hardly the pi$$ ant commuter routes of times past.

You limit yourself by defning ASA as a "regional" airline. I know this has been hashed out here a hundred times, but it's worth reinforcing.

 

[ASADriver]

Sure sounds like ASA mgt. is getting their way. The posts around here are sounding like the pilots are scared to lose their wonderful jobs.

Expectations are getting lower. Just what mgt. wants.

Expectations aren't getting lower, reality is just setting in. People are scared of losing their jobs, and ALPA has done nothing to protect those jobs.

 

[Tomct]

Expectations aren't getting lower, reality is just setting in. People are scared of losing their jobs, and ALPA has done nothing to protect those jobs.

Once again @ssdriver, you are trying your stupid little spin on this board. Nobody is scared around here, we are all just getting madder by the minute! They can keep up their "Clown Antics," but they WILL PAY before all is said and DONE! Once again, your guttless efforts will be rewarded by the support of those of us that actually HAVE a SPINE and are standing up for whats right!!

 

[Full of LUV]

You want DALPA's old contract?

"Regional" airline? I remember going coast-to-coast four times in four days. Throw in Canada, Mexico, Bahammas, Turcs, Jamaica...Just what region is ASA operating in? Oh, I got it...the North American, Mexican, and Carribean region....

This sounds a lot like the Delta "domestic" routes to me, hardly the pi$$ ant commuter routes of times past.

You limit yourself by defning ASA as a "regional" airline. I know this has been hashed out here a hundred times, but it's worth reinforcing.

So what you are saying is after replacing DAL on the domestic routes for less pay, you now feel that those routes deserve DAL pay rates? Keep pushing, you will be replaced, there is other RFP's just waiting in the wings.

 

[MELIT]

"Regional" airline? I remember going coast-to-coast four times in four days. Throw in Canada, Mexico, Bahammas, Turcs, Jamaica...Just what region is ASA operating in? Oh, I got it...the North American, Mexican, and Carribean region....

This sounds a lot like the Delta "domestic" routes to me, hardly the pi$$ ant commuter routes of times past.

You limit yourself by defning ASA as a "regional" airline. I know this has been hashed out here a hundred times, but it's worth reinforcing.

So you are thumping your chest because you are flying mainline routes?

 

[Palerider957]

So you are thumping your chest because you are flying mainline routes?

Not chest thumping....I don't even work for an airline anymore. It's just silly to call yourself a "regional" airline when you fly such a vast expanse of routes.

You mention "mainline"? What is that anymore? Don't even get me started about how mainline preciptated their own demise.

Full Of Lov,

Yes there is an RFP, and more 20 year old FO's and 23 year old Captains will don the chick-magnet uniform while while flying former mainline routes--so be it. This is the state of the industry, and I accept that (which is why I left, thank you.)

I don't have a personal stake in what happens to the industry, so I really do't care wo flies whos routes.

I just think calling yourself a "regional" is self-defeating. Take from that what you want.

 

[Palerider957]

Incidentally, something I've posted before but ill repeat it.

What is mainline? If you are flying in a plane financed by Delta, fuel paid for by Delta, gates leased by Delta, serviced by Delta (at outstations most of the time), carrying Delta pax both from their origination, through a hub, to their destination.....then my friend, you ARE a Delta pilot plain and simple, operating on behalf of Delta airlines.

You may not be on the Delta Pilots seniroity list, you might not have the gold buttons, but you are every bit as much a part of Delta airlines as the DALPA crowd.

Main line will continue to contract until it's largely trans con and international. Contract airlines will grow until they are the overwhelming majority of DAL flying. Ticketed pax go to delta.com, go the ATL, they hop on an RJ.....they don't know the difference, because there really isn't a difference with the current model of airline businesses.

Granted, RJ drivers are a distant "C" scale in compensation, I wouldln't expect that to change anytime soon either.

Flame away, but I firmly believe this....as does the flying public.

 

[TWA Dude]

What is mainline?

Mainline flies for itself whilst the fee-for-departure regionals/commuters/small-jet-operators fly at Mainline's behest. This is not a slam of the pilots anywhere! It may be anachronistic to call ASA a "regional" but it's no more accurate to call ASA "Delta".

 

[Palerider957]

Mainline flies for itself whilst the fee-for-departure regionals/commuters/small-jet-operators fly at Mainline's behest. This is not a slam of the pilots anywhere! It may be anachronistic to call ASA a "regional" but it's no more accurate to call ASA "Delta".

Maybe, but from an operational stand point there is no difference between "regional" and "mainline." We can argue who is "better" or equipment size, but that line has faded as well with USAIR and Jet Blue flying "regional equipment."

I would liken this to the old "platimum" credit cards. If you had one ten years ago, you were a high net worth individual, with exceptional credit, and earnings. Now they'll send a "platinum" credit card to any ramper so he can finance his latest diamond studded grill.

My point is simply this--it isn't effective to talk in terms of "mainline" and "regional" anymore. It would be more descriptive to talk of "small jet operator" and "large jet," or "wide body" operator.

All of you do EXACTLY the same job.

 

[TurboAWD]

Oh, pilots arguing amongst themselves again....
Mgmt happy as a clam.

Let's not forget why "regional airlines" are flying "mainline" routes.
Or "mainline" equipment (CRJ900/EMB75).

It is because "mainline" pilots GAVE IT AWAY!
Regional pilots didn't steal it, it was GIVEN away.

Turbo

 

[wms]

So you are thumping your chest because you are flying mainline routes?

Mainline didn't lose those routes, they gave them away when they caved on scope. And we DON'T appreciate the "favor" of having to fly them for less. ALPA was arrogantly complacent on the RJ issue early on by being too proud to fly them and now we have all paid the price. That's the opinion of Babbitt(sic) himself who was ALPA pres when the RJ thing started becoming an issue.