ABX Mega Proffer

[penguin22]

I don't think that the side letter is really that big of a problem. There are a lot of guys who like those lines so they end up being quite popular.

You got that right! Just looked at July awards; the non standard lines went pretty senior

 

[Sporto]

Unfortunately Wrong

My understanding is that the three about-to-be-furloughed PFEs who are going to attempt upgrade will get added to existing classes above and beyond the proffer amounts. The six DC9 F/O vacancies would then be able to take the four S/Os plus the two additional PFEs who were not on the furlough list.


That was my understanding as well......Not true. Only one of the four S/O's made the proffer. Apparently, the PFE's got a choice of whether to go the surpluss route or the proffer route, and they chose the proffer. What's the advantage of going the proffer route other than bumping 3 S/O's?

 

[two(2)%]

That was my understanding as well......Not true. Only one of the four S/O's made the proffer. Apparently, the PFE's got a choice of whether to go the surpluss route or the proffer route, and they chose the proffer. What's the advantage of going the proffer route other than bumping 3 S/O's?

The PFE's who took these proffers are hedging they'll make it through. They still get their "silver bullet". After they fail the "wreck" ride, they still get one more shot on their way out the door. That's what Jimmy "the finger" Finfinger is doing right now. Condolences to the unlucky SO's. I hope someday soon We can get them back.

 

[MJH767]

Was the second to the last guy on the DC9 FO proffer on the street? I couldn't find him on any active "seat list"?? And it looks like one DC8 Capt downbid?
I thought you couldn't do thaty?

 

[ABXbooger]

The second to last guy is in DC-8 standards.

I wish the pilots had several (read 3) chances to pass a checkride...

 

[Jurassic Jet]

And it looks like one DC8 Capt downbid?
I thought you couldn't do thaty?

There are 2 separate G.W.'s. One Standards and one line CA.

 

[two(2)%]

The PFE's who took these proffers are hedging they'll make it through. They still get their "silver bullet". After they fail the "wreck" ride, they still get one more shot on their way out the door. That's what Jimmy "the finger" Finfinger is doing right now. Condolences to the unlucky SO's. I hope someday soon We can get them back.

Wait a minute: Let's suppose a PFE bids a proffer and hasn't been surplussed yet. Then during the upgrade training, this particular PFE's seniority number is eliminated (the PFE is surplussed). However, the PFE position still exists, just not at this PFE's level. Next, the PFE fails to upgrade.

Question: does this PFE have seniority preferential rights? Can he bump other pilots and begin training in whatever the PFE's seniority can hold per some letter of agreement?

 

[ABXbooger]

there is either a side letter or some kind of "agreement" that allows the PFEs to have an extra shot at upgrade when their positions are being eliminated. Hence the "fingers" extra shot. I wonder if these guys have been recommended by the company, and if not, if they fail do they get another shot?

 

[GoABX]

It will be interesting to see how strick to standards the training department will be. First people (mostly captains that had to fly w/ the exPFEs) were complaining that they were too easy, then some PFEs were sqwawking about TRNG being too hard.

If I could get extra chances and my career depended on it, I'd probably take every chance I could. But someone getting 2-3 chances in a row and failing while a waiting pilot goes on unemployment is bull$hit. It would be nice if the company said oops we made a mistake we meant 7 Dc-9 proffers not 4 and let the other 3 SOs in the door. If there is too much delay the S/Os will get leap frogged again by more PFEs.

 

[penguin22]

It will be interesting to see how strick to standards the training department will be. First people (mostly captains that had to fly w/ the exPFEs) were complaining that they were too easy, then some PFEs were sqwawking about TRNG being too hard.

If I could get extra chances and my career depended on it, I'd probably take every chance I could. But someone getting 2-3 chances in a row and failing while a waiting pilot goes on unemployment is bull$hit. It would be nice if the company said oops we made a mistake we meant 7 Dc-9 proffers not 4 and let the other 3 SOs in the door. If there is too much delay the S/Os will get leap frogged again by more PFEs.

Personally, I haven't had any problem flying with an exPFE. But those are the ones who made it thru training.

But I agree... giving those guys their extra shots while the SOs hit the street doesn't feel right. What's gonna happen when a PFE bombs all his chances? Recall a guy who was just furloughed to fill the slot? How stupid is that?

 

[ABXbooger]

Looks like we aren't the only airline that has OPF wh**es!


http://members.lycos.co.uk/calalpa/RM0G_VJRM.mp3


and this one fits too, great ending!

http://members.lycos.co.uk/calalpa/RM0G_Fatigued.mp3

 

[erichartmann]

there is either a side letter or some kind of "agreement" that allows the PFEs to have an extra shot at upgrade when their positions are being eliminated. Hence the "fingers" extra shot. I wonder if these guys have been recommended by the company, and if not, if they fail do they get another shot?

I don't have a copy of the contract with me so I cannot quote chapter and verse, but as I recall every crewmember gets one last shot for a total of 3 if his seat goes away. The PFE's are not getting anything any other crewmember would not get.

 

[Fly Astar Jets]

Looks like we aren't the only airline that has OPF wh**es!


http://members.lycos.co.uk/calalpa/RM0G_VJRM.mp3


and this one fits too, great ending!

http://members.lycos.co.uk/calalpa/RM0G_Fatigued.mp3

Don't mean to hijack the thread, but that IS a great find Booger. :beer: I needed a good laugh:laugh: coming out of recurrent. The fatigue one DOES have the perfect ending.

 

[ABXbooger]

I don't have a copy of the contract with me so I cannot quote chapter and verse, but as I recall every crewmember gets one last shot for a total of 3 if his seat goes away. The PFE's are not getting anything any other crewmember would not get.

Yeah, right, keep telling yourself that...

 

[penguin22]

I don't have a copy of the contract with me so I cannot quote chapter and verse, but as I recall every crewmember gets one last shot for a total of 3 if his seat goes away. The PFE's are not getting anything any other crewmember would not get.

You're right, erichartmann. Article 12 section I para 5 says everybody gets a 3rd shot at passing a pro check. I should know better than to believe the first thing I read on FI.com. Seems this place is populated mostly with whiners and b*tchers anyway.

Take for instance open flying. A favorite target on FI.com. It's tempting to get caught up in pissing contests with folks like ABXbooger. He'd probably try to claim the whole reason there's still furloughs on the street is because of open flying. Even though those same trips would just get staffed with more junior manning, not furloughees or new hires.

I can hear him now... "Just don't answer the phone!"

As if that's the only way they can get you, and not letters in the Vfile weeks in advance, or calls to see scheduling when your on duty in ILN.

But he probably thinks its better his way, cause then the junior guys get the extra pay instead of the senior guys. Even though alot of senior guys are doing their "high five" for their retirement pay.

Shouldn't be too much to ask, right? Not only pass up a bigger paycheck this month, but also for the rest of your life once you retire! I bet ABXbooger doesn't see anything wrong with that. Well maybe in 20 years he will.

Sometimes its tempting to get caught up in all the b*tching on FI.com. But I don't think I will.