ABX furloughs 12

[GoABX]

You can use my wife, too!

Is she hot?!
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Your point is well taken, but we can't talk about union unity and then go into the "me" mode every time a challenge is thrown at us. Unity means a junior guy fights for retiree medical&pay and the senior guy fights for FO payrates and upgrades. We have been tested numerous times in the past 8 years and never has anything stuck from a unified group effort. Our contract is lopsided, senior-centric. Your next accusation will be "You are trying to destroy the seniority system." BS. Our system is I get it all and you get none; instead of I get most of it and you get some. Your next argument will be "I built this company." Predictable....we've all heard it a 1000 times before. You didn't build $hit; you just happened to work at a company that grew alot...20 years ago.

If you want help with a B fund, post-60 medical, another week of vacation; you can't expect the junior guy who's getting the axe to go to the mat for you, while part of the nifty-50 is working 15days of overtime. You are within your contractual rights to get all you can, but don't expect much help for your issues when you need us.

$150k + $100K VS. $300K + 0K


I was one of 'those guys' who was against PFEs getting special privileges and I personally don't believe the skill set of a pilot and an engineer are the same. But I also believe these are 50+ year old men with families and mortgages who are about to lose the incomes. WE should be fighting to get them early outs, retraining, other jobs etc. NOT bidding more OPF b/c times are uncertain.

We are wasting our breath on each other. You are going to do what you want anyway. Your seniority entitles you to be first in the dinner line. But if you fill your plate with seconds before the last guy gets to the buffet, don't expect there to be much of a 'family' when times are tough.

As I have said on this board before, when we furlough down to the last two pilots. #1 will bid 15 days of overtime and put #2 and himself out of a job.

 

[Clipperskip]

seniority

Is she hot?!
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Your point is well taken, but we can't talk about union unity and then go into the "me" mode every time a challenge is thrown at us. Unity means a junior guy fights for retiree medical&pay and the senior guy fights for FO payrates and upgrades. We have been tested numerous times in the past 8 years and never has anything stuck from a unified group effort. Our contract is lopsided, senior-centric. Your next accusation will be "You are trying to destroy the seniority system." BS. Our system is I get it all and you get none; instead of I get most of it and you get some. Your next argument will be "I built this company." Predictable....we've all heard it a 1000 times before. You didn't build $hit; you just happened to work at a company that grew alot...20 years ago.



Seniority is all relative! A simplistic statement but especially true in this case. A lot of our senior ABX brothers were hired when going from a new hire to DC-8 capt was a two year evolution. That seems so far fetched at this time but that is truly the way it was back then. This environment has caused their preception of airline reality to be distorted. Just the other day I heard a senior Captain speaking about a "junior pilot", his words, and an issue he brought up concerning our contract negoitations. When I explained to the senior pilot that we have no longer have any junior pilots he just stared at me in disbelief! I went on to explain that the pilot he was speaking of have been a DC-9 FO for 8 years hardly qualifying him to be junior. Well not all of the senior guys have caught on quite yet but they will eventually with our help. I wish the best of luck to my PFE brothers who are being surplussed whether they are able to upgrade to pilot positions or not. I hope that the company will put together a buy-out package that will ease your retirement concerns or your move to your next job opportunity. Unfortunately the writing has been on the wall for the past 12 years that the DC-8 was going to be retired. The present cost of fuel and maintenance has just accelerated it.

 

[two(2)%]

No, not asking too much at all! After all, I only took this job to hold a spot until YOU got hired! Why on earth should I take the upgrade?? Even more, I'll move out to make room in my house for you while you're in training and on reserve! I'll keep making the payments with the salary I made while I selfishly held what is really YOUR job! You can use my wife, too! I found her first, but anything in the name of UNITY!!


That really struck a nerve with you, didn't it? "I want all the open flying. I want all the vacation, you can have what's left when I'm done. I want my cities race-tracked with no WD's. I want, I want, I want...BTW, is that your first wife? Post pictures please.

 

[ABX9av8or]

ABX put a proffer out tonight for 6 DC-9 FO's. I believe the class start date is the last week of June.

 

[B737Dvr]

pilot crew staffing?

so another profffer out on the 9 in addition to the 767's? since clipperskip has indicated that abx is short on 767 crews, i would guess than any upgradable SO or PFE that is looking at furlough will be offered a chance to move into the 767 or the dc-9 right? Now, how many pilot retirements are due this year at abx? i wonder that when you factor that in with the 'crew shortage', will everyone be recalled and will there possibly be any hiring?

 

[ABX9av8or]

There are 12 more retirements this year and 30+ next year. This proffer will catch all the SO's and any other PFE's that want to upgrade. However, if the PFE elects to wait until his seat disappears before he tries to upgrade, that is his choice.

 

[MJH767]

B737Drvr--I would guess with the current proffers, all the surplussed SO's, and those PFE's who are qualified will have an opportunity to stay. The Joker in the deck is the DC8's and how long they stay around. That is, are there anymore surplusses coming in the near future? Let's hope not.

 

[McNugget]

I am really sorry to hear about yet another furlough in the cargo business. All the best wishes to the ABX furloughees! This shows that even the good companies can screw over crewmembers.

 

[two(2)%]

So are those furloughed PFEs allowed to attempt either the DC9 or the 767 upgrade? I heard a couple of them were gonna try the 9. Must be easier.:smash:

I fully support the intention of our contractual obligations for those on the list. However, were there not some discrepencies in how those training standards were applied the last time this issue was visited? I seem to remember the standards department taking some heat over some perceived bias against PFEs.

 

[Snakum]

Although I am sure that I am preaching to the choir here, please note the appearance of the next DHL delivery person you see and compare them to the professional delivery men and women of UPS and FedEx!

Yep ... much discussed among the end-users of your product where I work. The difference between the TV commercials and the reality was ... well ... shocking.

Someone behind a desk needs to wise up and hire full-time drivers with an investment in their job as a career. Mr. FiddyCent wid da gold chains and rude service is going to tank DHL. People won't stand for it after getting generally good service and attitude all these years from the FedEx and UPS drivers that we see daily.