ABX flying Amerijet routes

[The_Russian]

ABX crews are flying Amerijet routes now on a daily basis while Amerijet pilots are in contract negotiations under the Teamsters.

ABX pilots are also Teamsters.

What do you all think about this? In my opinion, it is hurting the Amerijet pilots' ability to negotiate their position for a contract.

Go.

 

[Capt1124]

It's not the brotherly union thing to do but I stopped believing in the Easter Bunny a long time ago.

Of course if it was the other way around everybody would be screaming bloody murder.

After I was laid off in January 2000 they had a meeting and told us if we voted for the union they would just farm out the flying. I doubt Dave Bassett's attitude has changed.

 

[Chubaka]

Ruskie, just trade them some Russian hookers and good vodka and they'll go away. That's not what you are hauling down into the caribean, is it?

 

[b707guy]

Are there any Amerijet crew members idled or furloughed at the moment? If they are short of crew members because some of them are attending negotiations, then there shouldn't be a problem with someone else helping them out, and if so, then I'd say a fellow IBT crew doing the helping is about as appropriate as it gets. Their freight still needs to move. Need more info! I would think 1224 would be all over this if it was a problem.

 

[Fly Astar Jets]

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Are there any Amerijet crew members idled or furloughed at the moment? If they are short of crew members because some of them are attending negotiations, then there shouldn't be a problem with someone else helping them out, and if so, then I'd say a fellow IBT crew doing the helping is about as appropriate as it gets. Their freight still needs to move. Need more info! I would think 1224 would be all over this if it was a problem.

So if ATI had some folks on furlough and ATI mgt. decided to farm out some flying rather than bring back your fellow crewmen, you personally would think that was OK? With all due respect, that just ain't right no matter what union you belong to.

But regarding The_Russian's situation, I understand that while Amerijet is still talking and not striking, that whoever mgt. brings in has to fly what they are told to fly. But I'm sure that any self respecting Teamster flying another IBT's route is surely gonna do whatever is possible to make it known that it's not a good situation if that is indeed the case.

I hope The_Russian comes back and clarifies this situation with more details.

 

[wickedride]

I'm pretty sure Airborne/ABX has been flying contract Amerijet routes for at least 5 yrs or more out of Miami. I think there is "no flying Struck goods" in the contract
Later

 

[Fly Astar Jets]

Welcome to the board Wick. :beer:

FAJ

 

[ABXbooger]

You guys strike and they won't be flown.

 

[TWA]

FAJ, I think you missed what 707 was saying. If there aren't any pilots on furlough, than it's ok to contract.

 

[b707guy]

So if ATI had some folks on furlough and ATI mgt. decided to farm out some flying rather than bring back your fellow crewmen, you personally would think that was OK? With all due respect, that just ain't right no matter what union you belong to.

I don't know how you could have possibly gleaned that sentiment from what I said. NO, I don't think that would be OK.

 

[Fly Astar Jets]

FAJ, I think you missed what 707 was saying. If there aren't any pilots on furlough, than it's ok to contract.

I see your point T-way. That's what I get for posting at oh-1-30.

b707guy has always been reasonable in his past posts and I respect that. I hope he accepts my apology.

(a contrite ) FAJ

EDIT: Was typing this as you were posting b707guy. Sorry for the confusion on my part.

 

[erichartmann]

ABX crews are flying Amerijet routes now on a daily basis while Amerijet pilots are in contract negotiations under the Teamsters.

ABX pilots are also Teamsters.

What do you all think about this? In my opinion, it is hurting the Amerijet pilots' ability to negotiate their position for a contract.

Go.

ABX has been flying under contract to Amerijet on Amerijet "routes" for years. Amerijet's management has used ABX in lieu of buying the proper aircraft for the routes in question. I'm sure there are other carriers who also fly for Amerijet judging from their website.

Does this hurt the ability of Amerijet pilots in negotiating a contract? Maybe, but I tend to doubt it. I'm sure they use their own aircraft where they fit. We are not cheap. Would we wind up flying additional "routes" if the Amerijet crews were to strike. I doubt it. Two reasons: first, we can't supply the aircraft & crews our current customers are asking for, and second, we don't cross picket lines.

A rhetorical question: If brand x's pilots go on strike, and a passenger with a brand x ticket goes over to brand y, and brand y honors the ticket are brand y's pilots "scabs"?

 

[hyflyin]

Are you parking in brand x's parking spot? Does the pax for brand x have a big sticker on him identifying who he belongs to?

Gotta love the ACMI world.

 

[abxdx]

We have flown for Amerijet in the past and just started back for them after a few year hiatus, apparently they have a problem paying thier bills....

But we have not been under contract to them for years.

Our long term contracts out of MIA are for:

Florida West---Lan Chile
BWIA
Air Jamaica


Contracts on an ADHOC basis that we basically do every week but could end anytime:

Laparkan
Air Haiti
Suriname Airways
Amerijet
A few others here and there....

Don't hold me to this exactly, I might be forgetting someone...

And yes, as far as scumbag carriers go, these guys rank near the top!

ABX has been flying under contract to Amerijet on Amerijet "routes" for years. Amerijet's management has used ABX in lieu of buying the proper aircraft for the routes in question. I'm sure there are other carriers who also fly for Amerijet judging from their website.

Does this hurt the ability of Amerijet pilots in negotiating a contract? Maybe, but I tend to doubt it. I'm sure they use their own aircraft where they fit. We are not cheap. Would we wind up flying additional "routes" if the Amerijet crews were to strike. I doubt it. Two reasons: first, we can't supply the aircraft & crews our current customers are asking for, and second, we don't cross picket lines.

A rhetorical question: If brand x's pilots go on strike, and a passenger with a brand x ticket goes over to brand y, and brand y honors the ticket are brand y's pilots "scabs"?

 

[b707guy]

EDIT: Was typing this as you were posting b707guy. Sorry for the confusion on my part.

Can't exactly say I'VE never posted while under the influence or while fatty-gewed.:laugh: No harm no foul!

 

[erichartmann]

We have flown for Amerijet in the past and just started back for them after a few year hiatus, apparently they have a problem paying thier bills....

But we have not been under contract to them for years.

Our long term contracts out of MIA are for:

Florida West---Lan Chile
BWIA
Air Jamaica


Contracts on an ADHOC basis that we basically do every week but could end anytime:

Laparkan
Air Haiti
Suriname Airways
Amerijet
A few others here and there....

Don't hold me to this exactly, I might be forgetting someone...

And yes, as far as scumbag carriers go, these guys rank near the top!

My bad. :blush: I meant to say "on and off for years".