Abusive Captains and Captain FOs

[Bushhatesyou]

A thread on another board got me thinking.. How many d!ck head captains are there out there? And the other side of the coin is, how many FOs out there act like they have 4 stripes already?

BTW Is Captain Ice Cream still beating his FOs over at Mesaba?

 

[punkpilot48]

BTW Is Captain Ice Cream still beating his FOs over at Mesaba?

There has got to be a good story here!

 

[CA1900]

A thread on another board got me thinking.. How many d!ck head captains are there out there?

They're pretty rare at my company. There are only a couple that I can think of off the top of my head.

And the other side of the coin is, how many FOs out there act like they have 4 stripes already?

Fortunately, those are even rarer. There's a fine line between helping out and stepping on toes, and in most cases it's pretty blurry, as it should be: we're supposed to back each other up. (If I forget something, I appreciate the help; it goes both ways -- that's why there are two of us.)

But I've had a couple of guys who just couldn't accept the fact that they weren't running the whole show. It got to the point where they'd "help" with a couple steps of my shut-down flow, they'd argue with me when I wanted to follow SOP about something (and they didn't), and so forth.

Their response when I asked them to cut it out and fly it by the book was, in both cases, "Oooooh.... you're one of those guys."

Umm.... yeah, I guess I am. :beer:

 

[Bushhatesyou]

There has got to be a good story here!

I guess he prob. retired by now. But story was. This Captain was known to have major mood swings. Sometimes when the FO was the PF he would get mad at something the FO did and actually hit them and then take the plane away. But then once on the ground he would feel kinda bad for the way he acted and offerd to buy the FO an ice cream cone.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

A thread on another board got me thinking.. How many d!ck head captains are there out there? And the other side of the coin is, how many FOs out there act like they have 4 stripes already?

Translation: I don't have the social skills to deal with difficult people.

 

[Bushhatesyou]

Translation: I don't have the social skills to deal with difficult people.

I'm sure I could deal with you just fine... I was just wanting to hear other people stories.. Thanks for playing.

 

[shamrock]

They're pretty rare at my company. There are only a couple that I can think of off the top of my head.

"cough" Sherwin "cough"

 

[CA1900]

They're pretty rare at my company. There are only a couple that I can think of off the top of my head.

"cough" Sherwin "cough"

:uzi:

Yup. I'm so glad I don't have to share a confined space with him anymore. We get alone fine now that we have several feet (and preferably several hundred miles) between us at all times.

 

[shamrock]

He was the easy one. I'm trying to remember who else might fall in that category but Captain A-Hole's phenomenal suckiness has overidden my memories of the others. Anyone would seem OK when compared to him.

 

[mnalpha]

theres a guy we fly with, i only flew with him once along time ago, but he picks his nose and eats it all the time. he wipes snot on the back of his and then licks it off. then he touches things in the cockpit. it was so bad that i will wear gloves next time i fly with him, or call in sick. i went through like 50 santiwipes a day. i would have one in my hand and hold the throttles with it. what can be done about this?? I told him that it was sick, but it did not phase him. he has his finger in his nose/ear/mouth the entire time. the worst experiace ever!!!!

 

[PooPooPants]

They're pretty rare at my company. There are only a couple that I can think of off the top of my head.

"cough" Sherwin "cough"

Is that xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx still there? I remember when he almost got his ass kicked by the bald headed ramper in CLE. He was crying like a baby...it made me so happy!

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PooPooPants- No potty-mouth language please.

 

[81Horse]

Captain Dearest, from years ago: he yelled (and yes, hit) FO's who touched any gauges (no! fingerprints! ever!); he insisted that the Garretts be spun exactly 16 revolutions, and left with the blades at 45 degrees to the ground; and, although he did provide little yellow post-it pads for ATIS notes, etc., he demanded that the FO's use both sides of the paper (by folding over the sticky strip at the top).

"Post-its have two sides! Post-its have two sides!"

If I'd ever had to fly with him myself, I'd probably be getting out on parole about now.

 

[Guitar Guy]

Insecurity - it can be such an ugly thing. And that goes for pilots in either seat.

 

[Hypoxik]

If your captain gets abusive, just pull out your signed pics of "Uncle Chuck". He will be at the jetway when you arrive.

A Handicap parking sign does not signify that this spot is for handicapped people. It is actually in fact a warning, that the spot belongs to Chuck Norris and that you will be handicapped if you park there.

 

[buscap]

Funny thing is this; when I was an FO, all the Captains were buttholes...now that I'm a Captain, all the FOs are buttholes...go figure.

 

[Midnight Flyer]

Captain Dearest, from years ago: he yelled (and yes, hit) FO's who touched any gauges (no! fingerprints! ever!); he insisted that the Garretts be spun exactly 16 revolutions, and left with the blades at 45 degrees to the ground; and, although he did provide little yellow post-it pads for ATIS notes, etc., he demanded that the FO's use both sides of the paper (by folding over the sticky strip at the top).

"Post-its have two sides! Post-its have two sides!"

If I'd ever had to fly with him myself, I'd probably be getting out on parole about now.

That little a$$clown would last about 5 minutes with me. I'd like to see him hit me (or anybody else) in the cockpit if I were his FO. I'd render him incapacitated, or even break his jaw for him. It's amazing how people slip through the cracks like that.

Post-it's have 2 sides..LOL, what a micromanaging ba$turd. He probably wears his dirty underwear twice by turning it inside out. :laugh:

 

[inthewind]

I flew with one of those a$$clowns in CVG when I was at ACA for an entire month. On the first leg of the first trip on the month I was flying and with the autopilot on in cruise he got a frequency change and reached down to tune it for him, well he smacked my hand. Needless to say I was less than helpful the rest of the month, unless he was about to get us violated, which happened multiple times that month btw!
Anyway it all came to a head about halfway through the month when we had a screaming match in the cockpit after a flight and smartguy discovered that not only did I have lots more time in the Dork jet but I had more flight time than he did altogether. After the match and me packing all my trash to leave, we settled our differences and I flew the next leg to AZO, shot the LOC back course to mins and greased it on. Needless to say the rest of the month was much different with that clown. Anyone from ACA at CVG might remember Captain Lightbulb.

 

[Midnight Flyer]

I flew with one of those a$$clowns in CVG when I was at ACA for an entire month. On the first leg of the first trip on the month I was flying and with the autopilot on in cruise he got a frequency change and reached down to tune it for him, well he smacked my hand. Needless to say I was less than helpful the rest of the month, unless he was about to get us violated, which happened multiple times that month btw!
Anyway it all came to a head about halfway through the month when we had a screaming match in the cockpit after a flight and smartguy discovered that not only did I have lots more time in the Dork jet but I had more flight time than he did altogether. After the match and me packing all my trash to leave, we settled our differences and I flew the next leg to AZO, shot the LOC back course to mins and greased it on. Needless to say the rest of the month was much different with that clown. Anyone from ACA at CVG might remember Captain Lightbulb.

Crusty old 727 captains have that radio tuning mentality alot when they are the PNF. They could have a softdrink in one hand, the mic in the other hand, scrambling to write down the frequency and/or a re-route all at the same time (obviously struggling). Since you're the PF and basically just "sitting there", you decide to help the guy out by dialing in the new comm freq, then he gets his panties in a wad because you touched his radio. I think it's mainly because they started flying way back when before CRM was around, and they have the "I am captain so I am God" way of thinking. Sorry Grandpa, it's not a one man operation anymore.

You're right, let him dig his own hole and don't help him out with jack $hit unless he's about to get the crew voilated.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Cry babies......

Everybody I fly with has to be likable. Even though I realize there will always be a couple of tools, I expect that 100% of the guys I fly with are cool.

My kids don't whine as much as this thread......

 

[Fly-n-hi]

I heard this story but I don't know if its true. Several years ago an airline somewhere in Asia...Korea I think..needed experienced 747 pilots to help train the native pilots and to help the airline run smoothly in its first few years. Most of these "helper" pilots came from the U.S.

Well, apparently in this country it is acceptable for a person in a position of control to strike a subordinate for poor behavior or for making mistakes.

One of the U.S. pilots, who was a former Marine, missed a radio call during the flight and the Asian captain reached over and slapped him on the back of the head. After they landed the Marine dragged this little Asian guy out of the cockpit and beat the snot out of him.

I think they stopped using the American pilots after that.

This is an unconfirmed story.

 

[G2T]

I heard this story but I don't know if its true. Several years ago an airline somewhere in Asia...Korea I think..needed experienced 747 pilots to help train the native pilots and to help the airline run smoothly in its first few years. Most of these "helper" pilots came from the U.S.

Well, apparently in this country it is acceptable for a person in a position of control to strike a subordinate for poor behavior or for making mistakes.

One of the U.S. pilots, who was a former Marine, missed a radio call during the flight and the Asian captain reached over and slapped him on the back of the head. After they landed the Marine dragged this little Asian guy out of the cockpit and beat the snot out of him.

I think they stopped using the American pilots after that.

This is an unconfirmed story.

Unconfirmed maybe, but very believable. One of my CFI students was an American FE for JAL. He had numerous stories of the JAL instructors overstepping their bounds with what was appropriate for the American crews. Cultural differences I guess.

 

[Bushhatesyou]

Cry babies......

Everybody I fly with has to be likable. Even though I realize there will always be a couple of tools, I expect that 100% of the guys I fly with are cool.

My kids don't whine as much as this thread......

These posts hitting a little to close to home for ya?

BTW No one is whining, just shareing stories. Get over your self.

 

[GEORGE DUBYA]

I guess he prob. retired by now. But story was. This Captain was known to have major mood swings. Sometimes when the FO was the PF he would get mad at something the FO did and actually hit them and then take the plane away. But then once on the ground he would feel kinda bad for the way he acted and offerd to buy the FO an ice cream cone.

Ice cream cone? Would he then touch you in your naughty spot?

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

These posts hitting a little to close to home for ya?

BTW No one is whining, just shareing stories. Get over your self.

Actually I was hoping you'd get over yourself. Because if you were you wouldn't have to whine and let everyone know your ego was bruised by brigging up a negative post. Maybe you are a toolbox pilot to fly with and you are being tolerated by your fellow crewmembers? Have you thought of that? Probably not, cause you judge others by their actions and yourself by your thoughts.....

These posts hitting a little to close to home for ya?

Nope. Just the whining.... sounds like the crewroom.... no one has the guts to stand up to the company or a Captain or an FO or a FA.

And these are your issues? Booger pickers? Is it the end of your career? Is your paycheck effected?

Some guy slapped your hand? Either be a man and stand up for yourself and your profession or be his biotch. But whinning about it isn't a comfortable middle ground. Why? cause nothing's changed, except we've had to endure whinning.

Maybe cause whinners don't have the skill set to communicate like an adult so they just whine about booger pickers and hand slappers... Either you know how to deal with these people or you don't..... There are those who know what battles to choose and when they choose one to fight they resolve thier own issues and get on with thier jobs and life and then there are those who just whine.

Babies....

 

[CFIcare]

Hey Bushhatesyou...your avatar made my day

 

[81Horse]

Aw, come on, Rez. According to the Johnny Carson Formula (Comedy = Tragedy + Time), this stuff is funny.

And it all reinforces the enduring verity of the Captain's Credo: It is better to be an asshat than to work for one.

 

[Bushhatesyou]

Actually I was hoping you'd get over yourself. Because if you were you wouldn't have to whine and let everyone know your ego was bruised by brigging up a negative post. Maybe you are a toolbox pilot to fly with and you are being tolerated by your fellow crewmembers? Have you thought of that? Probably not, cause you judge others by their actions and yourself by your thoughts.....



Nope. Just the whining.... sounds like the crewroom.... no one has the guts to stand up to the company or a Captain or an FO or a FA.

And these are your issues? Booger pickers? Is it the end of your career? Is your paycheck effected?

Some guy slapped your hand? Either be a man and stand up for yourself and your profession or be his biotch. But whinning about it isn't a comfortable middle ground. Why? cause nothing's changed, except we've had to endure whinning.

Maybe cause whinners don't have the skill set to communicate like an adult so they just whine about booger pickers and hand slappers... Either you know how to deal with these people or you don't..... There are those who know what battles to choose and when they choose one to fight they resolve thier own issues and get on with thier jobs and life and then there are those who just whine.

Babies....

Apparently your lack of reading skills or lack of personality have made you fail to realize what this post is about. Telling stories. No one is whining, they are telling the stories and sharing experiences for the amusment of others, which is I believe the point of Flightinfo. Every job has co-workers that are difficult to deal with, I was curious to hear about the difficult co-workers in our profession.

No I have never had a problem with any pilot. But I know many who have.

I can only assume by your ridiculous responses you have either been called out for being a tool in the flight deck, or are the type of guy who thinks Bob Saget is the king of comedy.

 

[Drill Sgt. Dad]

I have had 2 CAs I couldn't stand to be in te airplane with. One kept telling me how to the handle the airplane. I simply told him "If you don't like the way I fly, then you can fly. I don't get paid any differently whether I fly or not."

Then another time, one was being his usual A$$hole self when I applied the brakes while taxiing, I immediately called the ramp and said "We have a problem we need to stop momentarily, we'll get back to you." The CA screamed "how dare you stop my airplane." I pointed to the registration and corrected him that it wasn't his airplane, but I was Wachovoa Bank's airplane. I then told him to go back to the gate and one of us are getting off this airplane. I informed him I will not fly with him and his nasty attitude. He then offered peace to continue. I told him, ok but informed him I will be contacting Pro Standards (ALPA Carrier) about him. He seemed to be the poster CA for Pro Standards. amazing, it seemed every FO that had to fly with him either dropped or traded out all their trips to get away from him. People who are p*tzes in the airplane are usually very insecure people, and whn one stands up to them, they back off fast.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Apparently your lack of reading skills or lack of personality have made you fail to realize what this post is about. Telling stories. No one is whining, they are telling the stories and sharing experiences for the amusment of others, which is I believe the point of Flightinfo. Every job has co-workers that are difficult to deal with, I was curious to hear about the difficult co-workers in our profession.

No I have never had a problem with any pilot. But I know many who have.

I can only assume by your ridiculous responses you have either been called out for being a tool in the flight deck, or are the type of guy who thinks Bob Saget is the king of comedy.

Trying to call me out because I am calling you out doesn't work....

Let's recap..... You started a thread with...

thread on another board got me thinking.. How many d!ck head captains are there out there? And the other side of the coin is, how many FOs out there act like they have 4 stripes already?

BTW Is Captain Ice Cream still beating his FOs over at Mesaba?

What is the point of this? What are you trying to gain? In addition you specifically bring up a certain individual to stir things up....

What does it really matter?

You call it story telling, I call it whining and kicking a fellow pilot while he is down.....

No I have never had a problem with any pilot

How do you know they didn't have a problem with you? Maybe they did and just tolerated you, because it wasn't a big deal or there are bigger things to worry about. Oh wait I got it. You are a dream to fly with and only others can be difficult....


At least that guy had the guts to offer an apology (via an ice cream), you whinners just..... cry...and think you are dream pilots...

 

[D'Angelo]

Cry babies......

Everybody I fly with has to be likable. Even though I realize there will always be a couple of tools, I expect that 100% of the guys I fly with are cool.

My kids don't whine as much as this thread......

Oh but not as much whining as you do when your precious ALPO is criticized by anyone. You whine more than any airplane in cruise ever could when anyone dares say anything bad about your almighty precious ALPO dog food errr I mean union