AA pilots now in Section 6.

[AAflyer]

Wow,

I go off to the Farnborough airshow for a few days and come back to AMR making 290 million in the second quarter and opening contract talks early.

AA

No nothing till the recall our furloughed brothers and sisters. ALL of THEM.

We are so short on pilots it is beyond funny, rumor has it another group will retire early this Aug 1 due to the B fund value.

 

[furloughfodder]

most of the AA pilots still working could care less about the furloughees. why do you think they are flying 90 hours a month?

i wouldn't be surprised to see the AA guys give up the unlimited recall rights provision and bring back the 5 year recall if it means getting something for themselves.

 

[AAflyer]

most of the AA pilots still working could care less about the furloughees. why do you think they are flying 90 hours a month?

i wouldn't be surprised to see the AA guys give up the unlimited recall rights provision and bring back the 5 year recall if it means getting something for themselves.

Yup, 90% of the pilot groups have done things rather self serving lately, wouldn't you agree? However there are usually a handful or more at each company that do not swim with group.

I stand by my statement, we NEED ALL OUR PILOTS back, then we can discuss the rest. Wishing you a speedy return if you want it.

Regards,

Flyer

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Yup, 90% of the pilot groups have done things rather self serving lately, wouldn't you agree? However there are usually a handful or more at each company that do not swim with group.

I stand by my statement, we NEED ALL OUR PILOTS back, then we can discuss the rest. Wishing you a speedy return if you want it.

Regards,

Flyer

Does that include the TWA guys?

 

[AAflyer]

Obviously it wouldn't.

Flyer

 

[B6Driver]

I hope that was a joke.

 

[conman]

most of the AA pilots still working could care less about the furloughees. why do you think they are flying 90 hours a month?


If most AA pilots fly 90 hours per month then you'd have to shut down the airline at the end of October due to FAR's!!!!!!!!

 

[furloughfodder]

I hope that was a joke.

Don't worry, it wasn't.

 

[AA717driver]

AA needs to pay off the debt and set up a program to re-equip the airline.

AA was able to dominate in the '80's because they had new, fuel-effecient planes (relative to EAL, PAA and TWA). Those same planes are still flying for AA.

If you take the profit for pay raises, you are dooming the airline to failure in the next 10 years.

Not my opinion, my observation over the last 20 years. TC

 

[Hagar17]

No nothing till the recall our furloughed brothers and sisters. ALL of THEM.

Tough talk. We shall see. I'm not holding my breath.

One thing's for certain: "When all is said and done, more will be said than done." -- author unknown

Hag
AA furloughee
FedEx poolie

 

[Gorilla]

most of the AA pilots still working could care less about the furloughees. why do you think they are flying 90 hours a month?

i wouldn't be surprised to see the AA guys give up the unlimited recall rights provision and bring back the 5 year recall if it means getting something for themselves.

Wrong. I'm flying my line and dropping trips, probably averaging 67 hours, because there's things I'd rather do than drill holes through the sky. Sick is through the roof. Where do you get your numbers? Pull them out of thin air or somewhere darker? They're wrong.

I have no desire to see some massive pay increase. It would be economic stupidity.

 

[Vastly Underemp]

Anyone else get the sense that Hunter's statements seem to point directly to pref bidding?

 

[magrs]

Would that be a positive or negative thing?

I loved pref bid, but understand the concerns about manning if it is implemented.

I still don't see it as a negative though.

 

[Frank Lorenzo]

AA needs to pay off the debt and set up a program to re-equip the airline.

AA was able to dominate in the '80's because they had new, fuel-effecient planes (relative to EAL, PAA and TWA). Those same planes are still flying for AA.

If you take the profit for pay raises, you are dooming the airline to failure in the next 10 years.

Not my opinion, my observation over the last 20 years. TC

I'm glad to see someone has a level head here. The pilots of AA should take a pay cut. The only reason that AA showed a profit is because of the fine executive team AA has. We all know that without those multi-million dollar bonuses, your top of the line management team would bail.

As TC mentions, AA needs to grow and buy new airplanes. What better way to pay for those new aircraft than for the pilots to accept pay cuts? Hey, face the facts, the bigger the pay cut, the faster AA can get those new shiny polished metal phalluses to jet around in.

TC = pure managerial genius. Welcome to the dark side brother!

 

[Flyby1206]

Would that be a positive or negative thing?

I loved pref bid, but understand the concerns about manning if it is implemented.

I still don't see it as a negative though.

Pref Bidding would add another 3yrs+ to the already long wait on recalls.

 

[TWA Dude]

Pref Bidding would add another 3yrs+ to the already long wait on recalls.

That's a fear grenade. PB alone doesn't increase efficiency; it's how it's programmed. The elimination of conflict bidding is probably the biggest change coming one way or another.

 

[Flyby1206]

True, but I think losing the conflict bidding would be huge. Figure if you had 4 weeks a year of vacation and for each week bid a conflict that touched 2 4-day trips. 20hrs per trip, 160hrs per year. Plus training conflicts and transition conflicts. I think it would make a huge difference.

 

[AA717driver]

At this point, pref bidding even with demand staffing (reserves flying on their days off--really, everyone sucking up open time) would not seriously impact recalls.

What it would do is reduce the reserve staffing from 30% to 15%. It gives pilots incredible flexibility and reduces sick time. The union needs to run the program, though.

Hey, Frank! Where's my PUP check? TC

 

[Swaayze]

Quick contract wanted. Must be cost neutral or better. Willing to discuss keeping pension in exchange for massive scope relief. Give us PBS - we give you the 787. If interested contact AMR management (it may be a while before we get back to you, we're still counting our bonuses!)

 

[j41driver]

No nothing till the recall our furloughed brothers and sisters. ALL of THEM.

Obviously it wouldn't

Real nice...."ALL OF THEM"....well except you TWAA guys. Nice.