AA Pilots BOLD!

[Crash Pad]

Wow turning down China routes in the new global economy... I think the Union might regret this one in the next ten years.

 

[AAflyer]

Read up son,

We did not turn it down, in fact we offered an agreement which still sits on the table that allows AA to fly direct. Research before you post.

AAflyer

 

[snow-back]

American Airlines Wins Approval From Pilots Union for Non-Augmented, 18 Hour, Nonstop Flights.
December 9, 2009



This could be a headline a few years from now if a cure for SJS is not discovered immediately. It's good to see pilots standing up for what they think is important, instead of bending over and taking it up the rear while salivating about the prospect of "expansion". Besides, Chicago makes more sense than DFW anyway.

Here's the actual article.


Airline Rivalry Shifts
For New China Route
December 9, 2006

WASHINGTON -- AMR Corp.'s American Airlines modified its application for a lucrative new route to China, weakening its case and giving a boost to other airlines competing for the new daily flight.
Before the change, American and UAL Corp.'s United Airlines were considered to be the front-runners. United, which proposes a daily flight from Dulles International Airport outside Washington to Beijing -- linking the two capital cities -- may now have the edge.
The other contenders are Continental Airlines Inc., which currently only has one China route and wants to fly from Newark to Shanghai; and Northwest Airlines Corp., which proposes a new route from Detroit to Shanghai.
American originally proposed flying from Dallas/Ft. Worth to Beijing, arguing that there is no direct service from the South to China. But American was unable to reach an agreement with its pilots union to allow the flight as it is longer than allowed under the union contract. It instead proposed a flight from Chicago, but United already provides direct service from Chicago, so the proposal wouldn't offer a significant new option.

 

[AA717driver]

The company refused to negotiate. IMO, they knew they weren't going to get the route. As usual, they found a scapegoat.

I love the new relationship between the company and the employees... TC

 

[Clavin]

I am amazed that the general feeling is that its the pilot's fault that this is happening. Over at Eaglelounge.com, where hatred of AA pilots is just slightly less than Arab hatred for Israel, it is dogma that the pilots stupidly screwed up the China route by being selfish and greedy.

I guess these days, when a company proposes a new route with work rules that aren't established in the contract, its the pilot's responsibility to just take whatever is offered. This is the type of thinking that gives you $95/hr Airbus captains at the next Jetblue, VA.

If mAAnagement really wanted that route, then they could have at least talked with the pilots about it. More likely, they knew they weren't getting it and decided to score a little p.r. points in the process. Apparently its working. Surprisingly, its working with other pilots.

 

[AAflyer]

I am amazed that the general feeling is that its the pilot's fault that this is happening. Over at Eaglelounge.com, where hatred of AA pilots is just slightly less than Arab hatred for Israel, it is dogma that the pilots stupidly screwed up the China route by being selfish and greedy.

I guess these days, when a company proposes a new route with work rules that aren't established in the contract, its the pilot's responsibility to just take whatever is offered. This is the type of thinking that gives you $95/hr Airbus captains at the next Jetblue, VA.

If mAAnagement really wanted that route, then they could have at least talked with the pilots about it. More likely, they knew they weren't getting it and decided to score a little p.r. points in the process. Apparently its working. Surprisingly, its working with other pilots.

Eagle lounge has the same general 10-20 malcontents that hate all things AA, I do nto beleive they are indicative of all EGL.

AAflyer

P.S. You do know EGL (I think it was Mark Herb) wrote a letter to Arpey saying EGL should fly the 100 seater at AMR becuase they could do it cheaper. Things that make you go hmmmmmm..

 

[EWR_FO]

The company refused to negotiate. IMO, they knew they weren't going to get the route. As usual, they found a scapegoat.

I love the new relationship between the company and the employees... TC

AA,

I, for one, applaud the American pilot group. One route does not make or break a company and hopefully this is the first step, on a long road, to getting back some of what has been taken. I believe your stance is exactly what John Prater's campaign revolved around. Nice job.

 

[spacecadet1]

"This is the type of thinking that gives you $95/hr Airbus captains at the next Jetblue, VA."

You nailed it. This is why we are all in the friggin mess we are in.

 

[AA717driver]

AMR management will NEVER change. AA survives despite the "screw the employees first and ask questions later" mentality--no, wait, it's not a "mentality" it's policy. TC

 

[ils2minimums]

From today's domicile meeting:

The new DFW-ORD-PEK route proposed by mAAnagement to get around the pilot's contract will cost signicantly more than the few no/low cost items the pilots requested in order to be able to fly DFW-PEK.

As soon as the route is awarded to our comptetition, expect to hear the official percentages from APA. AMR did this as a PR stunt to galvanize the public and other work groups against the pilots during section six negotiations...

 

[ultrarunner]

I bet you could count on less than one hand, the number of AA pilots that will loose sleep over this tonight!

Am I right?!