AA pilot not guilty in MAN incident.

[AAflyer]

This will never make the news.

AAflyer

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/manchester/6475913.stm

Drink-accused pilot 'not guilty'

An airline pilot accused of turning up for work while six times over the limit to fly has been cleared by a jury.
American Airlines pilot James Yates, 46, from Ohio, was alleged to have arrived at Manchester Airport drunk, smelling of alcohol and unsteady.

Although he was over the limit, Mr Yates never intended to fly, Manchester Minshull Street Crown Court heard.

He was found not guilty of carrying out an activity ancillary to an aviation function while over the drink limit.

Drinking session

Earlier, the court heard he was to be one of three pilots on the American Airlines flight to Chicago on 11 February last year.

The jury heard he had been out for a drinking session in Manchester the night before he was due for work.

He was stopped when he could not find his pass at a security gate at the airport and was said to be dishevelled, red-faced and appeared drunk, the court heard.

But Mr Yates told police he turned up at the airport to tell the captain he was unfit for work and it was not his intention to be part of the crew.

He did not board the Boeing 767 aircraft, which had 181 passengers on board.

 

[ultrarunner]

Drink-accused pilot 'not guilty'

But Mr Yates told police he turned up at the airport to tell the captain he was unfit for work and it was not his intention to be part of the crew.

There's a new twist on banging in sick!

 

[jonjuan]

This will never make the news.

AAflyer

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/manchester/6475913.stm

Drink-accused pilot 'not guilty'

But Mr Yates told police he turned up at the airport to tell the captain he was unfit for work and it was not his intention to be part of the crew.

He did not board the Boeing 767 aircraft, which had 181 passengers on board.

However he showed up in uniform and was only preparing to give the passenger announcements before he called in sick.

 

[BigMeat]

The only problem I see with all of this is that he is from Ohio.

 

[furloughed dude]

They bought that crap? So why didn't he call him at the hotel or at least wear civilian clothes? Oh, yeah, he needed to get through security..

He is one lucky dude....

 

[learflyer]

EIther of these guys have a cell phone? Why didn't he call dispatch or ops or whatever? He was hammered, intended to fly, and got lucky.

 

[TWA Dude]

While it's good he didn't commit a crime by going on duty I wouldn't exactly call his acquital a victory. He was drunk in uniform and that should come with consequences.

 

[pkober]

EIther of these guys have a cell phone? Why didn't he call dispatch or ops or whatever? He was hammered, intended to fly, and got lucky.

Manchester, ENGLAND.

 

[learflyer]

Forgive me because I really don't know, but is there no other way to call in sick if overseas? A big airline like that?

 

[ultrarunner]

I wonder how long it took for him to sober up and come up with a story!

 

[AC560]

I am sure by playing six degrees of separation we can tie this guy to JetBlue. Where is General Lee.

 

[pkober]

Forgive me because I really don't know, but is there no other way to call in sick if overseas? A big airline like that?

You can get a hold of scheduling from anywhere in the world via land line. He could have at least called ops in MAN and had them relay a message to scheduling.

He is a lucky man. He will now claim that he is an alcoholic and due to the PC'ness of our country, he will be given his job back.

 

[80drvr]

There are extenuating circumstances in this case, some medical, that will likely never be reported. I know it's more fun to shoot first then aim, but perhaps the jury considered all the evidence before coming to a verdict.

 

[radarlove]

I am sure by playing six degrees of separation we can tie this guy to JetBlue. Where is General Lee.

Speaking of Manchester, I hear Jet Blue is going to fly to New Hampshire soon as a new city, as soon as they start firing those guys whose five-year contracts are up.

 

[pkober]

There are extenuating circumstances in this case, some medical, that will likely never be reported. I know it's more fun to shoot first then aim, but perhaps the jury considered all the evidence before coming to a verdict.

No way, man !! He's guilty.

 

[ACL65PILOT]

It clears him overseas, but the FAA will probably take his tickets. They feel that if you show up for work, you intend to fly. There is no leeway in this. At a min he will have to do all of his certs over after treatment.

 

[BoeingBoy]

It clears him overseas, but the FAA will probably take his tickets. They feel that if you show up for work, you intend to fly. There is no leeway in this. At a min he will have to do all of his certs over after treatment.

You just made that up!

You have no idea what you're talking about.

Please shut up and sit down, clown.

 

[Tejas-Jet]

He is a lucky man. He will now claim that he is an alcoholic and due to the PC'ness of our country, he will be given his job back.

Actually the APA probably has a HIMS program of some sort. He will go to "Beer Drinking School" and come back and be fit for flight...as many before him have.

 

[pkober]

True statement. With ADA you can claim to have almost any "problem" and go to some sort of rehab and then be forgiven. The point is that some one can be an occasional drinker, then have a few too many and get caught trying to fly. If he claims that he has a drinking problem he will get a second chance. On the other hand if a new hire probation pilot is on an airplane that dings a wing, he's fired.

But I agree, many have done it before.

 

[Old School]

I dont think it was his leg...

 

[JT8D]

It clears him overseas, but the FAA will probably take his tickets. They feel that if you show up for work, you intend to fly. There is no leeway in this. At a min he will have to do all of his certs over after treatment.

You're an idiot.


As far as the "spin dry" program goes...

This dude will take a 28 day "vacation", lose his medical for 6 mos while he does aftercare, maybe a Soberhouse, takes some phsych tests and does allot of "group hug" meetings.

He will be jerkin gear 6 mos from now with a shiny new Special Issuance Medical and monitored for 3 - 5 years, end of story (as long as he continues to comply with the aftercare).

This stuff is a smile and nod "check the appropriate box" bada bing program for first offenders thanks to the Americans with Disabilities Act.

 

[bubbers44]

Looks like he won the case. End of story. Why do pilots feel the need to keep kicking another pilot when he is down?

 

[JT8D]

End of story.

If he doesn't have ANY previous alcohol issues in his past, he MIGHT have a shot at saving his medical... by claiming an isolated incident...since there is no criminal conviction involved.

However, to save his job...he really doesn't have a choice but to admit to a problem and go willingly into the program.

 

[Amish RakeFight]

Many years ago, didn't a Northwest pilot get caught flying while intoxicated and lose all of his certificates. The story I heard was that he actually went and earned all of the certs. again and was hired back at NW.

That's dedication.

 

[bubbers44]

www.pprune.org has a sticky keeping it in the number one position about his amazing story. Before casting stones about this story his story should be read to understand the problem.

 

[JT8D]

Lyle P. (and the HP guys in MIA) actually were criminally convicted of operating aircraft while intoxicated...thus the Cert actions.

The AA guy just jumped the first hurdle by being found not guilty of trying to operate the aircraft.

I would be surprised to see a Cert action on this. Loss of medical...probably.

 

[brainhurts]

Its a MAN baby!